Mistakes Were Made, RTX 4070 Ti Super Review Update
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00:00 - Welcome to Hardware Unboxed
03:01 - Fixing my mistake
03:57- 1080p
04:10 - 1440p
04:30 - 1440p Uplift
04:48 - 4K
05:09 - 4K Uplift
05:25 - Ray Tracing
05:35 - Ray Tracing, Uplift
05:50 - Cost MSRP
06:14 - Cost Newegg
06:32 - Final Thoughts
Mistakes Were Made, RTX 4070 Ti Super Review Update
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@WaterShowsProd 3 місяці тому
A super update to your super review of the less-than-super 4070 Ti Super.
@kpg10 3 місяці тому
A super 4070 ti super for a super high price.
@nathanaelniklaus2981 3 місяці тому
@@kpg10seems that many manke a super pass on this super 4070 tie super
@Xilent1 3 місяці тому
I still going to buy it.
@nathanaelniklaus2981 3 місяці тому
@@Xilent1 meh. For that cash? 800+200 and you've got a 4080..super. But have fun, they are all good cards.
@Xilent1 3 місяці тому
@@nathanaelniklaus2981 I agree. Might as well at this price point. I'm coming from a 6700xt. Both would be a significant upgrade, but yeah, might as well just get the 4080 SUPER. The Black Edition looks does look clean
@stuartthurstan 3 місяці тому
Making mistakes is human. This is exactly the correct way to handle them once you are aware of them. Thanks for your dedication to accuracy.
@Steel0079 3 місяці тому
Remember the recent Linus fiasco. That was a dumpster fire.
@shanent5793 3 місяці тому
The mistake was letting Nvidia interfere with his review
@ETophales 3 місяці тому
Making mistakes is human, apologising for them is AI. :)
@EVPointMaster 3 місяці тому
@@Steel0079it's been going on for years with LTT. This was just putting it in the spotlight.
@mrnicktoyou 3 місяці тому
The cheapest 4070Ti Super (in Australia) is $1499. For $70 more you can get a 4080. I think you would be crazy not to get the 4080.
@GewelReal 3 місяці тому
Makes Nvidia happy
@Souls4Roca 3 місяці тому
dude.. you can get a 4080 for cheaper...
@grievesy83 3 місяці тому
Where are you getting a 4080 for $1,569? Cheapest I've found is $110 more than that.
@TehMagilla 3 місяці тому
@@Souls4Roca The cheapest listed by StaticIce AU is $1650
@alanliang9538 3 місяці тому
in australia everything is supply and demand, and these shithole sellers don’t even reduce price on 4070 but mark up everything instead😂
@ManuFortis 3 місяці тому
As soon as you said "UKposts trim function" I shuddered and tilted my head down. Condolences.
@jamesfox2857 3 місяці тому
same
@LlywellynOBrien 3 місяці тому
Do you know what makes me happy? That Steve has his taskbar left aligned in Windows 11. The only sane option.
@TheXev 3 місяці тому
Facts. I wish more people would give Microsoft the bird and change it.
@RealMTBAddict 3 місяці тому
I need this
@haukionkannel 3 місяці тому
It just proves that he is old, like everyone here and can not learn new ”Wars” anymore! 😂😂😂 I feeling really old and one of the first tweaks for win11 was to put it to the left! 😂
@tsjeriAu 3 місяці тому
With a widescreen monitor, taskbars are better utilised on the sides. I cannot fathom using it at the bottom (or top).
@manapause 3 місяці тому
Facts
@QuentinStephens 3 місяці тому
Well done! It's how you admit and deal with mistakes that sets you above many other channels.
@haewymetal 3 місяці тому
They already knew about it in the previous video though but released it anyway because MUH UKposts MONEY. Thats not integrity.
@vladimirdosen6677 3 місяці тому
Just because you believe so, it doesn't make it true. It's simply a projection. @@haewymetal
@b-ranthatway8066 3 місяці тому
@@haewymetal You know, they explained that in the last video, but i don't think it's because muh integrity/ gotta make money. While making making money is objectively a part of it, I think it's the time and effort that was put into making the previous video and not wanting to scrap the entire project. Just to top it all off, there wasn't even that much of a difference, practically negligible. 😅
@Hardwareunboxed 3 місяці тому
Releasing the review wasn't a mistake, we verified the margins to be insignificant. The specs table was our mistake. Try to be cool @haewymetal.
@oussamachetouane3028 3 місяці тому
@@haewymetal you are not the one who is doing the benchmarks for 10gpus or more with like +12 games data 2k 4k raytracing etc so of course you wont appreciate the work of steve. muh youtube money bruh u look like an 8 years old
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat 3 місяці тому
What's important isn't the fact that the mistake was made. But that you're ready to make an entirely new video to correct it. Good job guys. Still very disappointed with this 4070 Tie Super. It should've had 320W TDP.
@braien334 3 місяці тому
Do you mean that adding a note in the description in the video(that is hidden by default) isn't enough?
@RFLCPTR 3 місяці тому
@@braien334 yes
@Alexandru_T 3 місяці тому
Actually every single retail card has a 300W TDP. Equal of the RX 7900 XT.
@Akkbar21 3 місяці тому
Only time mistakes matter a lot is if it’s a regular occurrence or they completely undermine your reputation. This is neither.
@Akkbar21 3 місяці тому
I def want to get a card with a 300 or less TDP next time I upgrade. My 3080 12gb strix card is great, but the tdp is nuts. 390w out of the box, 450 oc’ed. it kicks out soo much heat it’s shocking tbh.
@Cinetyk 3 місяці тому
I can only imagine how frustrating it is to work for several days only to, last minute, receiving notification there's a problem with a GPU which may invalidate all the results. Thanks to the extra work and clarification with this update video.
@AxleLotl 3 місяці тому
Kudos to you Steve and Co. After spending that much time and effort on a review, particularly with so much hardware being released of late, it must be immensely frustrating to have errors pop up in the testing/specs and then to have to make corrections and essentially double handle the review. I, and I'm sure many others are appreciative of the transparency as accuracy of these reviews. Especially since many use them for their purchasing decisions.
@Dark.Syndicate 3 місяці тому
🙂 I agree.
@halrichard1969 3 місяці тому
I have owned a 7900XT since the first three days of release over a year ago. The adrenaline suite is a dream to work with. I am absolutely content to skip this years offerings from both Ngreedia and AMD. Lets just see what 2025 brings us. Thanks for your efforts Steve. Its not an easy job but someone's got to do it. Better you than me.
@Jrfeimst2 3 місяці тому
Why would you even upgrade so fast in the first place? Unless you needed something like a 4090 or 7900xtx with more vram for say cgi or something. I don’t think these products are made for someone with a card from this gen. They are made for someone upgrading from say a 20 series in my opinion. I always skip a generation. Just not worth it to upgrade every gen? I’m honestly just asking why you’d think about upgrading this year?
@kaznika6584 3 місяці тому
@Jrfeimst2 I agree. I bought the 7900XT as an upgrade from the 1070ti. The performance uplift was huge.
@Angel7black 3 місяці тому
@@Jrfeimst2resale value. Its why i havent soent more than $300 since buying a 2060 years ago
@Dracossaint 3 місяці тому
@@Angel7blackfair point, good on ya for having the gumption to hustle that.
@defeqel6537 3 місяці тому
@@Jrfeimst2 I upgrade when I can get about 100% increase for the same price, so my upgrade cycle has stretched
@vextakes 3 місяці тому
lol rip, nice redoing it tho. I'm glad they sent the TUF model for me
@vadergrd 3 місяці тому
hm ... pricing of these card are the only problem
@carlosbelo9304 3 місяці тому
that's the problem with all cards currently
@djangoff9247 3 місяці тому
Seems that your to broke 😂😂
@carlosbelo9304 3 місяці тому
@@djangoff9247 most of the world is
@sheerenergy8602 3 місяці тому
@@djangoff9247 Seems we don't like to overpaid. And I'm almost sure, that 5090 get 32Gb Vram and 5080 to 5070 get 24gb, 5060 get 16GB and new get much more faster that supers will be pretty obsolesence. Nvidia doesnt respect their customers.
@DeadNoob451 3 місяці тому
@@djangoff9247 Nah not buying into a scam is a sign of good financial intelligence. So he is probably not even poor.
@FatetalityXI 3 місяці тому
This is the reason why your channel and gamers nexus are S tier channels.
@alihell6860 3 місяці тому
Linus ?
@TheGuyfromValhalla 3 місяці тому
Lmao nice meme @@alihell6860
@AntonioNoack 3 місяці тому
@@alihell6860 Linus' channel isn't S-tier. There is always soo much drama :/, especially about accuracy lately.
@detroid89 3 місяці тому
@@alihell6860 subscriber count =/= quality (i.e. S tier)
@AlexanderMichelson 3 місяці тому
They are both Tech legends for sure.
@calpin_dk 3 місяці тому
Well done - thanks for your hard work with all these tests and have a great day!
@billyam4565 3 місяці тому
Much respect for your hard work !
@aladdin8623 3 місяці тому
I think some will sell anyways due to the fanboy hype we are faced with making reasonable prices impossible. To me the price per performance is not making any sense for current gens. Only the 6700 XT is somewhat reasonable. But it also got only 12 GB VRAM. The 7800 XT should cost as much a this gpu. Than we would have a star gpu.
@billyam4565 3 місяці тому
People need to avoid the current gen if they want to have reasonable prices for the upcoming one.
@tj_2701 3 місяці тому
For your Tech Specification Sheets could you make the background for the boxes slightly darker or the lines separating them darker, please. Even on a large TV it is hard to make out exactly which cards these boxes/bars are pertaining to. It took a few moments with the video paused to finally figure out you hadn't made a mistake again on Cache size and Memory Speed. Thank you.
@moichamoy2274 3 місяці тому
Thanks, Steve 👍
@alive_omi 3 місяці тому
Very respectable approach of the HUB team, nice to hear and see all the details of this situation put in short and clear report.
@shanent5793 3 місяці тому
Telling Nvidia to get lost before publishing the video would have been respectable
@Plexer08-. 3 місяці тому
thanks appreciate the hard work and congrats for the 1M subscribers!
@chrisbeauchamp5563 3 місяці тому
The accountability of Tim and you is what makes this channel. Keep up the good work. No major drama required, take note massive other tech channel.
@pvtcmyers87 3 місяці тому
Hey steve thank you for all of your work and for being a total class act and very professional about the way you handled this. :)
@Petch85 3 місяці тому
This is why a watch Hardware Unboxed, you own your mistake and make sure that I know it when you make a mistake.
@nathangamble125 3 місяці тому
One of the guys who pointed out some of the errors in the initial table here. Thanks for responding with a proper correction like this. Many other youtube channels would have just ignored it. This sort of thing is why you are my number 1 source for hardware benchmarks, as I know that you want to make the information you provide as accurate as possible, and you put in the effort to do it.
@kesamek8537 3 місяці тому
I picked up a Super Tie in navy blue silk with classic paisley pattern for around $200 and I'm happy with it.
@tringuyen7519 3 місяці тому
$200 for a tie? The silk must have come from free range silk worms!
@haukionkannel 3 місяці тому
You know gentleman from his suite!
@dreamedfriend 3 місяці тому
@@tringuyen7519he used a leather tie
@willwunsche6940 3 місяці тому
16-18 hour work days for a week for two GPU releases? I knew these GPU reviews required a lot of work but I didn't realize it was that much. Really puts it into perspective how much testing and stuff this is
@andersjjensen 3 місяці тому
Because Windows is a bitch that triggers all sorts of "house-hold" tasks in the background at random times he needs to do a minimum of 3 runs for each game, each GPU and each resolution. If one run differs significantly from the others, he discards the result and does another run. Add to this that he uses fresh date for each review because there has always been updates to Windows, the drivers or the games in the interim. For 15 GPUs, 24 games (14 raster, 10 RT), 2 resolutions and 3 runs, that is 15x24x2x3=2160 benchmark runs assuming no duds. With an average of 30 seconds per run that is 18 hours in benchmark runs alone.
@Hardwareunboxed 3 місяці тому
That's right, but also testing is just part of it. We spend almost a day working on the b-roll/footage for those videos, then half a day writing the script, and then half a day to a full day editing. A ship load of work goes into this content.
@willwunsche6940 3 місяці тому
@@Hardwareunboxed Massive amount of respect for all your hard work. Thanks for trying to get it right. Hope you guys are getting some well deserved rest
@kaitang3226 3 місяці тому
Glad the corrections were made.
@megapleb 3 місяці тому
Thanks for the update/correction, and for all your hard work.
@boringtextreviews 3 місяці тому
I appreciate your quick update here Steve. Thank you for your work.
@standapp9172 3 місяці тому
Congrats on the 1m subs guys!
@MrDazTroyer 3 місяці тому
Top work 👍
@ScavengerFX 3 місяці тому
Thanks for the update!
@KimBoKastekniv47 3 місяці тому
Kudos Steve, very few channels would upload a retest so quickly.
@rofalmatt 3 місяці тому
well done for fixing up your mistakes
@EhNothing 3 місяці тому
Huge respect Steve. Thank you for all your work!
@RAZGR1Z 3 місяці тому
Thanks for putting this video out so quickly!
@walter274 2 місяці тому
Thanks for the fix.
@fucktheidcollectors 3 місяці тому
Get some rest too Steve ❤
@kpg10 3 місяці тому
Another personal doctor here.
@inkiblackman2625 3 місяці тому
So still terrible value compared to the base 4070Ti in the Australian market. Seeing 4070Tis go for as low as $1060 when the cheapest 4070Ti Supers are $1400+. Unless you're using this card for 4K (for which it seems somewhat underwhelming), can't see how you can justify the price. For the US market, seems to make a lot more sense.
@zorbakaput8537 3 місяці тому
Don't know what maths you are using but most of the 4070Ti supers are listed around $850 US some simple maths $850US at 65cAu = $1308 plus GST of 10% takes you to $1438. remember the Yanks don't include their taxes in retail price which is stupid, whereas we do.
@ddp2206 3 місяці тому
Bro, if it's true, then 💀 Even in Russia prices are better(atleast in my city). Because in my city it goes for like 103,000 to 115,000 rubles, which translates into like uhm 1,100-1,250$. I do mean our salaries must be lower, but still.
@mra.cortez3553 3 місяці тому
Sales tax in the US average ~7% depending on the state. Some states have zero sales tax.@@zorbakaput8537
@DeepfriedBeans4492 3 місяці тому
@@zorbakaput8537 There’s a very significant difference between “what the cheapest cards go for” and “what most cards go for”. You’re comparing the lowest end pricing in Australia to “mid tier” card pricing in the us. Also, your conversion rate is a bit higher than what google says, it’s more like 1287 in aud before taxes for an 850$ usd card. The actual math is 800$ for the lowest end 4070tiS in the us, which comes out to ~1211 aud. That becomes ~1332.95 after a 10% tax. Quite a bit less than what you arrived at, as well as the actual pricing you see in Australia.
@VesiustheBoneCruncher 3 місяці тому
Sales tax confuses the issue massively. The reason the US doesn’t include sales tax is at least partly because it varies from state to state. Europe and the UK run at 20% sales tax, I don’t know about elsewhere, but the odds are it’s different again. Different regions often require to include sales tax in the price, or in other regions *not* include the sales tax in the price. There are price differences even accounting for that. Some of them are even valid. Shipping costs vary depending on distance. Shipping costs vary according to market size - if you ship 100,00 units, it’s cheaper per unit than if you ship 10,000. But the price to us is normally much closer than it first appears globally, minus things like retail scalping, or just straight up scalping.
@pr0xZen 3 місяці тому
Thank you for this update! - I have a suggestion though. Please consider including at the end of review videos, a _specific mention_ of checking for pinned comment for any "essential amendments or corrections" (or something like that). The data indicates only rougly 1-2% of viewers _engages_ with comments, and the percentage _reading_ them (unprompted) isn't much bigger. Reviews in particular also draws a lot of new and casual viewers, for whom videos like this one that have been uploaded later on, is much less likely to show up on their radar. So adding a 2-3 second sentence about "check pinned comment" could IMO save you many hours of work, and help ensure a much larger portion of viewers become aware and informed when snafoos _do_ happen.
@MrSamadolfo 3 місяці тому
Thank you for the updates 🙂
@AMGG 3 місяці тому
Mistakes happen. We are all humans big or small.
@CrazyTechLab 3 місяці тому
Was in the same boat with my launch review and this card! Weirdly I saw next to no improvement even with the second firmware update which I assume was meant to totally the underperformance so maybe my sample was a good one as you say with decent silicon.
@tomaskianicka3343 3 місяці тому
Congrats to 1mil subs!
@jassco2 3 місяці тому
At lot of outlets didn’t have the reduced cache as Nvidia revised it on release sides. Thanks for being part of that correction. Tom’s hardware messed it up with their review and still have it posted. This is why it’s closer to the 4070ti.
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf 3 місяці тому
Yet it gets much better hashrates vs the 4070 ti. Nvidia does itself no favors with creators/gamers in saying they are for us vs crypto miners and ai image farming here.
@REgamesplayer 3 місяці тому
Over time you grew to be my most trusted and go to tech channel out there. Everyone makes mistakes and can provide bad data. What is important is that you are not afraid to admit them and can be bothered to correct them.
@vdosis2023 3 місяці тому
Thanks for the hard work and great info as always
@HanSolo__ 3 місяці тому
Thanks, Steve!
@SaturnusDK 3 місяці тому
Doesn't really change the fact that a price cut of the 4070 Ti would be better than a new card with slightly better performance at the same massively inflated price.
@MisterFoxton 3 місяці тому
4070ti prices in Australia dropped $100 along with the Super, so they're still the same price lol, but they did go down.
@Matti6950 3 місяці тому
@@MisterFoxtonYe i'm searching for a really good 750€ card, so i feel 4070 super slightly lacks (for future proofing and that 670€ is still lot of money), but 4070 ti super at 1000€ is just no go for me, i want lower power consumption, but not at 250€ more then 7900 xt
@edue_mrb 3 місяці тому
@@Matti6950an undervolted 7900XT should still perform way better than a 4070 Super with decent efficiency. You'll only miss DLSS and RT if you are using higher than 1440p res.
@anitaremenarova6662 3 місяці тому
@@Matti6950Where are you finding them for that much? That's the Strix pricing, other models start from 880€
@anhiirr 3 місяці тому
yep got an open box big cooler gigabyte oc for 700$...had store credit to BB too...and the 4070s master at 350w/fully pushed can "achieve 4070ti numbers" yet costs 700$ itself XD....and again uses 350w+ vs a 4070 ti which hovers at 200-275 max. It was pretty clear to me how these things were going to play out once i saw the 4070S benchmarks....and the LULS at the cross comparisons to the 3090....as the 3090 some how only utilized 13gb of vram when in competition with the CARD marketed to replace it for the avg consumer XD at 600$ all the sudden since the 3090 launch "CODE" has grown to utilize hardware in a more efficient manner. XD yeah ok. And agian the 3090 marketed as a 4k/flagship...with "FUTURE PROOFING" is PROVING to utilize 13gb max in benchmarks vs the 4070S...LMFAO. NV out lobbying itself.
@fayenotfaye 3 місяці тому
In Australia, this costs the same as a used 4080 or about $400 more than a 4070 ti. If you think you’ll upgrade sometime in the next 3 years, it’s honestly just better to get a 4070 ti whilst they’re cheap and upgrade to a 6070 with 16 or (hopefully) 24 gigs of vram in the future.
@threadripper979 3 місяці тому
Don't feel bad about a few typographical errors. You do great work.
@yulyman 3 місяці тому
Thanks for the awesome update, Steve. You really had it in you to shed the light on the one small thing that now makes huge difference. Cheers mate!!!!
@givemeanaccountdamit 3 місяці тому
Would still love you guys to call out 4080 Super pricing in Australia given we are paying 20% above the USA
@angrynimbus270 3 місяці тому
Someone must pay for no inflation in the US Look at prices in Europe, same stuff
@givemeanaccountdamit 3 місяці тому
@@angrynimbus270 I think it might be literally cheaper to buy from Newegg US and pay for shipping and taxes on arrival then the store around the corner 🤷♂️
@angrynimbus270 3 місяці тому
Good solution if it works for you
@sharkman4698 3 місяці тому
@@givemeanaccountdamit This used to be viable, but not anymore. Newegg used to offer free international shipping on orders > 350 USD but this no longer appears to be the case, and anything > 1000 AUD gets slapped with a 5% import duty by ABF. Which wasn't so much of an issue in the past when only the top end was > 1000 AUD, but these days even mid range is > 1000 AUD. So between the shipping charge, GST and import duty, you're likely better off just getting it from a local retailer.
@AndyViant 3 місяці тому
and US$730 for 4070 Super. You can buy 4070 Ti for less than 4070 Super which is crazy
@josephjoestar515 3 місяці тому
It’s not your fault! Thank you for all the amazing work you do!
@freestalkerdotfr6391 3 місяці тому
Nice corrections ! :-D You should put [Outdated] at the begining of the titile of the old review
@Kocan7 3 місяці тому
Great to see, that you did this video.
@termitreter6545 3 місяці тому
The more I read about those new GPUs, the more im happy that I just got myself a 6800 XT. Only concern is maybe that the 7800 XT wouldve allowed AV1 hardware encoding. But the only place that really matters is my VR headset, which does only AVC or HEVC streaming, so 6000 GPUs are pretty good for that. Better than Nvidia in 4K, funnily enough.
@60hurtz 3 місяці тому
The AV1 hardware encoding on RDNA3 is broken. If the input stream isn't 64x16 aligned, it won't work properly. They even have a hack for 1080p input where they output 1082p padded with two black lines to get an output.
@60hurtz 3 місяці тому
@@Aluminium-Can I tried responding with links to the various GH issues / wiki's / direct comments by AMD staff, but I think it gets auto-deleted as spam protection? Here's a quote from AMD staff: "It is embarrassing and sorry to report that this AV1 issue is a confirmed HW problem in this VCN generation (VCN4), the problem will be fixed in next VCN generation, and for VCN4, it is required to have the alignment of 64x16 as mentioned in this ticket description. And for the common 1080 height case, to minimize the impact, we adopted an idea to use a HW trick which happens to use the closest height 1082 instead of 1080, which is the reason you see 1082 for the 1080p cases." Search for "amd 64x16" to find information. There's an open issue about it on the GPUOpen GitHub and a description of the migitation in the GPUOpen Wiki, and AMD staff have commented directly on the Mesa issue.
@iamvenk0 3 місяці тому
I bought the RTX 4070 SUPER VENTUS 3X and i wanted to ask does this model have the same problem that the TI SUPER have?
@paradoxicalcat7173 3 місяці тому
What problem is that?
@sk8r4lf138 3 місяці тому
@@paradoxicalcat7173might have been some kind of firmware issue. He mentions there was an update you could download to bring the performance up a bit on the Ventus.
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf 3 місяці тому
I dont buy msi products anymore. I had a 2080 super venus die on me like my hp 4090 oem gpu as well. Like I said I'm not happy with NVidia right now and how they make faulty products. Unless the brand on the nv gpu is either nvidia or asus i stay away from it.
@Nothern_King 3 місяці тому
Good explanation and recovery, thank you. Mistakes happen to everyone man.
@AndyViant 3 місяці тому
Thanks for clearly discussing this. Even though you covered the small difference between the two cards in the previous review some people aren't happy without seeing the methodology and I get that.
@Azurantine81 3 місяці тому
You made a mistake, admitted to and then corrected it - unlike other channels who shall not be named, you did the correct thing and admitted you were human.
@davidlazarus67 3 місяці тому
It’s why I remain subscribed.
@richard--s 3 місяці тому
But don't the "underwhelming results" come from the current MSI 4070ti-s problem? Aren't the other 4070ti-s faster like they are expected to be?
@eligaller9190 3 місяці тому
@@davidlazarus67 This is why i subscribed now.
@misterpinkandyellow74 3 місяці тому
i will name one channel, that is Moores law is dead.
@ricardocavazos1316 3 місяці тому
Thanks for your hard work, it is really appreciated
@sirgurky 3 місяці тому
It's videos like this how open you are is why I always base a purchase from your data and recommendation. And will always recommend the channel to anyone else.
@yellowfuntvix1459 3 місяці тому
Nice review thank you! I've considered minimum 16 GB VRAM/ 256 bit for 1440p. Basic videocard for my parameters is 7800XT 16 GB $500 ($5.05 per frame) The next league are 1) 7900XT 20 GB - $730 Sapphire PULSE ($5.74 per frame ) 2 days ago price was - $710 ($5.57 per frame) Total: +13.6% cost/frame & +46%($230) total cost. 2) 4070 Ti Super 16 Gb $800 - ($6.45 per frame) Total: +28% cost/frame & +60%($300) total cost. After making a balanced choice, I bought 7800XT 16 GB in the best implementation Sapphire NITRO+. PS: I do not like low input lag of DLSS or FSR and also RT because it turns any surface into a mirror and takes 20-40% of the performance. The industry took a wrong turn when it began to measure who could generate more fake frames.
@zhon5311 3 місяці тому
You would never see LTT update their benchmarks admitting their mistakes. Great job.
@jacobdavidson9752 3 місяці тому
i remember ltt used to say they test there systems over 200 times to get most accurate results yet there results is the most inaccurate🤣
@spicynoodles307 3 місяці тому
i guess the rumors of the 4070 ti super being performance capped by nvidia wasn't false after all.
@PsyLama90 3 місяці тому
Is the model gaming x Slim also affected like the Ventus?
@westyk52sparky 3 місяці тому
great job. no one puts the work in like you guys
@elvisgratton6328 3 місяці тому
TOO LATE IM CALLING GAMER NEXUS
@EvilijoUK 3 місяці тому
Thanks for the video and being transparent and honest about all these things. It's nice that you do something you love, but still get some rest man, it's not healthy to work 16-18 hours with no days off. Good luck 👍
@formulaic78 3 місяці тому
He does it next to the barbie in-between flipping shrimp!
@Vincent-bw8vv 3 місяці тому
Thanks for the update and your alltime effort my friend👍
@alvindanica Місяць тому
What i really like about hardware unbox review is that they always show the previous last 2 generation card for nvidia and amd. You can see how is your current card perform vs the latest card. This could be buying decision if your card still ok or not with current games out there. As always good job
@infinity2z3r07 3 місяці тому
wow this 2% changes everything. i will now confidently rush out to buy to a 4070 ti super.
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf 3 місяці тому
For mining crypto yes, it's a good value for gaming and creator work well.........not so much.
@maozedowner5915 3 місяці тому
How is the MSI model 3% worse compared to the TUF? What about power draw? The 3% could be silicon to silicon difference. It could also be that TUF model draws significantly more power to gain that 3% which a lot of "OC" models typically do.
@aapje 3 місяці тому
It's not the silicon, because other reviewers that got the MSI card also had issues.
@maegnificant 3 місяці тому
Firmware issue, did you even watch the video??
@maozedowner5915 3 місяці тому
@@maegnificantNo. I'm an inpatient mf with tiktok level of focus span. I also don't intend to buy any of these cards so I just want to immediately know the result without watching the whole video.
@DygDyg1000 3 місяці тому
Good afternoon, which version of the drivers were tested on? 551.23 came out yesterday. They announced the addition of 4070 ti super support. Has the driver update affected performance in any way?
@babybackbish 3 місяці тому
Thanks Steve!
@davidbooth1634 3 місяці тому
Wasn't worth the video as the cards arn't selling anyway @Hardware Unboxed :P
@aladdin8623 3 місяці тому
Why do.my comments get deleted again? UKposts what are doing? Is this A.I. or something?
@aladdin8623 3 місяці тому
I agree the prices of current gens don't make any sense. Only the 6700 xt is somewhat reasonable but it running out of stock and has only 12 gb vram.
@Zoomborg 3 місяці тому
And this is why they released the 7600xt only now since 6700xt is gonna soon disappear. Lol, worse GPU for higher price.@@aladdin8623
@Valkian24 3 місяці тому
Appreciate the update, Steve. Anyway, while this card is underwhelming when compared to many others on the market, I still feel it'll be a worthwhile upgrade for someone like me who has been using he 1080ti for many years and got a lot of mileage out of it. Sure, I could get the 4080 instead for slightly more (in the Australian market), I'm not sure if it'll be okay for me to get since I replaced my old PSU with another 750w one and I'm not sure if I wanna replace that one so soon (especially since it was a non-modular one, which I'll explain in a moment). (I replaced my PSU out of panic when my computer wasn't working, only to realise that it wasn't the PSU, it was the motherboard that died. In hindsight, I should have gotten a modular 850w PSU but as they all say, mistakes can happen).
@Ericozzz 3 місяці тому
don't do it bro. Wait for next series. These are overpriced and underwhelming just like the 2000 series were
@Valkian24 3 місяці тому
@@Ericozzz That's the problem. I can't wait any longer as some of the games I've played (like Apex Legends and The Finals) keep blacking out on my screen and I feel it'll continue if I play anything else that is just as demanding. (And it can't be a CPU related issue since I had it replaced with a new one along with the new motherboard.)
@the5gen 3 місяці тому
I'd wait for the 5xxx series.
@FreshMedlar 3 місяці тому
amd is better
@xSwxve 3 місяці тому
1080Ti is the card that refuses to become e-waste. It’s phenomenal for its age. Arguably one of Nvidias most expensive mistakes.
@TheXeioken 3 місяці тому
Respect lads. Thank you
@bd46567rtnm 3 місяці тому
With such a performance gain, this video card is simply pointless😥
@paradoxicalcat7173 3 місяці тому
If you go 4070 Ti to Ti Super, yes, it's pointless. Going from a 1080? It should be awesome.
@Oliver-sn4be 3 місяці тому
@@paradoxicalcat7173 not really since 5000 is near now so why get old gen ?
@elu5ive 3 місяці тому
7800XT and 7900XT still have amazing bang for the buck
@audiophizile13 3 місяці тому
I would pay the small premium for Nvidia cards. 4070S is faster than the 7800xt in every way, uses less power, has reflex, etc. 4070tiS is not as great of a value but neither is the 7900xt, especially with how insanely power hungry it is. If the 4070tiS were 779 compared to the 7900XT $740 it would be better. Still no way I'd ever buy a 7900xt. The 4080S or 4070S are the cards I would spend my money on.
@Frashsibit 3 місяці тому
@@audiophizile13 Yes the 4070 super is "faster" than the 7800XT, but it's $100 more and gives smilar performance most of the time, it also only has 12GBs of vram which is already a limitation in many games and will be a huge limitation within just a few years, the power consumption difference is meaningless, 20w is just far too small to matter, AMD also has good auto undervolt features that allow you to easily bring the 7800XTs power consumption to lower than the 4070 super's while maintaing pretty much all of it's performance, AMD also has Anti-Lag which is pretty much the same thing is as reflex so it's irrelivent. You call the the 7900XT "insanely power hungry" when it draws within 30w of the 4070ti super while beating it by quite a lot. Also saying " f the 4070tiS were 779 compared to the 7900XT $740 it would be better. Still no way I'd ever buy a 7900xt" Is meaningless because the reason you would not buy the 7900XT there is because you are (very clearly) and Nvidia fanboy and you already new which one you were buying.
@ipotato95 3 місяці тому
Thank you for doing an update to make sure you provide accurate information, that’s what makes us trust you
@Pro4TLZZ 3 місяці тому
Thanks Steve
@Yeetking-qb3fz 3 місяці тому
thank you for re reviewing that quick i thought it would take a week or something but what is your opinions of the rtx 4080 super do you think its going to be worth it? and better then the rx 7900 xtx in rasterized gaming?
@marek7775 3 місяці тому
No 7900xtx is new King
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf 3 місяці тому
I think AMD is sweating the 4080 super here. For us consumers that might not be a bad thing considering the 7900 xtx needing to be knocked down by 200 dollar us to compete soon as the 4080 super seems like a generational killer in terms of value and feature sets you get here at 999 usd as the 4090 is just too expensive for most gamers to even look at let alone buy at that price as NVidia should just drop the xx90 logo and just label it what it once was labeled being the rtx titan series gpus here. My hunch is the 4080 super will sellout in less than 5 minutes on BestBuy and amazon and NVidia once they start queuing up to buy it. We'll see here but that's just my own cynical take on how this refresh of NVidia gpus have turned out so far and as I suspected so far, it's not looking good for gamers here at all as the value just isn't there here for what you get for long term gaming before you need to upgrade your gpu again here for gaming.
@951001ify 3 місяці тому
People happily buying 16gb for $850, crazy times. Nvidia taught lessons well, dont forget to buy 5070Ti for $1000 next year :)
@haukionkannel 3 місяці тому
People are happy to do it! 😂
@anhiirr 3 місяці тому
lmao GO look at 4070s vs 3090 benchmarks and go and "SEE" if the 3090 is pulling more than 16gb off these API/engines. Or wonder/ask yourself if all it takes is some NV/$$$/LOBBYING to cripple these AAA engines or offer hard/caps LMFAO IJS. BC all the sudden the "FUTURE PROOFED" 24gb card only winds up pulling at most 13gb XD
@TheGamesWin 3 місяці тому
It's mad they stuck with 48MB L2 on the 4070 Ti Super, should've seen something of an uplift to actually get the expected uplift toward the 4080.
@sk8r4lf138 3 місяці тому
Why would they want to cannibalize sales on the 4080/4080S that much more?
@RussLudwig 3 місяці тому
Thank you Steve 👍
@stephenkelly8312 3 місяці тому
Thanks, Steve
@indothai21 3 місяці тому
Subscribed and liked. Only real IT experts know that humans make errors. Honesty is key. True die-hard tech seeking enthusiast will surely follow suit.
@shining_buddha 3 місяці тому
Still not impress :) 7900XT looks more interesting
@tommyrotton9468 3 місяці тому
why stop there? when I looked at the selling prices of the cheapest XTXs were in the middle to the top price range of the TI S range (PCPARTPICKER)
@sumdum7732 3 місяці тому
I got the MSI Gaming X Trio, does the MSI problem affect this GPU as well?
@youquagmire 3 місяці тому
Appreciate the work you put into making the corrections. That's why you guys still have my views and support.
@ehenningsen 3 місяці тому
Thank you for the corrections. Everyone makes mistakes, you take the step to reveal them amd fix them. Integrity
@Steven-ex3ne 3 місяці тому
Firm handshakes.
@jonosvlog9913 3 місяці тому
Thanks for being honest and open about it.
@davidthane9002 3 місяці тому
I was surprised how far your numbers differed from GN and Jay but didn't mind because different models jada jada. Seeing an unrelated video about the MSI Ventus lacking in power and having multiple updates made me think 'hu, maybe HU had one of those' Still doesn't change that fact that European prices and supply are meh and don't encourage me buying one...shame really as I need to upgrade and wanted a 16GB version 4070Ti because of power use. But 900 to >1000€ just isn't sensible...
@Hardwareunboxed 3 місяці тому
The numbers really shouldn't have differed by that much given we were around 3% off the mark. 10% you'd notice, but 3%?
@davidthane9002 3 місяці тому
Totally correct, but the few % points more closes the gap to other reviews a little, testing methodologies etc. Just wanted to reiterate that I agree with your conclusion that even the 'mistake' doesn't change the (un)appeal of the card. :)
@Anskill00 3 місяці тому
I think in the future the drivers will be improved and the gap from the Ti version will increase.
@Carstuff111 3 місяці тому
I do not envy you folks that work in this field. As much fun as it would be getting to play with everything from the lower end of the hardware spectrum to the bleeding edge would be, compiling all the data and doing all the testing you folks do is BONKERS. I have heard it said and said it myself, that many UKpostsrs do not deserve to be paid for the "work" they do to post their videos. However, you folks that bust your butts to get us the most accurate data possible, I salute you all. And I know many of you enjoy what you do, and that is a great thing.
@gojump69 3 місяці тому
Thanks!
@tobygroves2112 3 місяці тому
TL;DR - It's still shit
@paradoxicalcat7173 3 місяці тому
Compared to what? I'm thinking of getting one to replace my 1080. 16 Gb VRAM is double what I have now. Be smart with graphics settings, and performance will follow. I game at 4K with my 1080, so current gen should be no sweat.
@tobygroves2112 3 місяці тому
@@paradoxicalcat7173Compared to the outgoing 4070Ti - only 4% faster at best. 4070 SUPER is far better bang-for-buck and sounds like it would be more than enough for your needs.
@lepari9986 3 місяці тому
Still not comparing it directly to the GeForce GTX 550 Ti that I had in 2011. Freaking lazy benchmarking 😢😢😢 HOW CAN I KNOW IF THIS IS FASTER!!!!1
@saiko-no-kami 3 місяці тому
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