New CPU, New Dream 2.5GbE Router/ Firewall?

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We test the new fanless Topton Intel Celeron J6413 firewall/ router appliance with 6x 2.5GbE NICs and see what it offers. We also test the system with Proxmox VE, pfSense, OPNsense, and OpenWRT to see what works.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction
01:41 External Hardware Overview
06:32 Internal Hardware Overview
11:03 Performance
13:47 Power Consumption
15:43 Proxmox VE, pfSense, OPNsense, OpenWRT Operating Systems
19:32 Key Lessons Learned
21:34 Wrap-up
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- 4x 2.5GbE J4125 Unit (Hnsun): • 4x 2.5GbE Intel J4125 ...
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@JeffGeerling Рік тому

"Now that we've done it, well... we've done it!" Not quite the ringing endorsement you'd want, but I'm thinking we'll have to wait for the next generation of low power chips before there's any significant advancement, in either better efficiency, better performance, or (hopefully) both.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

Well... just before heading to Lisbon, something that I ordered months ago arrived. :-)

@Dwykid1 Рік тому

What do you think will happen first? x86 becoming more efficient or ARM catching up in IPC? Because I don't think the former is very likely in instances where we're talking low wattage hardware

@matejskerjanc7703 Рік тому

rk3588s or something?

Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Lisbon. Greetings and Welcome to Portugal 😁. Anything special for you to come to Portugal?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

@ I was hoping to get engaged on the trip but the ring did not make it in time before I left for Portugal! We had a wonderful time anyway.

@geofreypejsa54 Рік тому

Thanks Patrick for the continued good content. Keep up the good work!

@sam2943 11 місяців тому

I love the small fanless and 1L PC reviews. I've learned a lot from your testing. Thanks and keep up the good work.

@metacerberusVT Рік тому

I was actually just looking at these. Im glad to see a video on them!

@MackemChops Рік тому

I love the idea of these boxes, but I will go for a mini-itx system with an Intel 4x NIC card and a Ryzen or Core i3 for my virtualized firewall and basic server. It's nice to have the extra configurability / upgradability / manageability (vPro etc), and the extra CPU grunt when needed (eg heavy firewalling or otf stream transcoding).

@markolafploeg3265 Рік тому

Verry nice video. Much more relaxing as the older ones. Thanx.

@fourmobro6214 Рік тому

My J6413 arrived back in late Nov. Installed Proxmox 7.3-3 just fine. Passed thru 5 of the 6 NICs (LAN, 2-LAGG/LACP, WAN1, WAN2) without trouble although I did have to use pfsense version 2.7 as 2.6 did not have the NIC drivers. I have a 2.5" SSD mounted on the back and the unit is stuffed in a small leviton "closet" which has no airflow. Been running great so far.

@jfkastner Рік тому

Well done review, thank you!

@kennethbautista4903 Рік тому

I like the CCR at your background

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

CRS! I think we have a Genoa server review, then SPR launch, then that one in a week or two.

@YouTubeGlobalAdminstrator Рік тому

What I'd like to see is a standardized form factor for STX motherboards (sounds like STH). Odroid H3, this, ASRock STX300 not available in retail and some others all are nice options but often are lacking due to their proprietary implementations or lack of accessories like cases etc.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

Great point

@rafaelreisr Рік тому

I’ve got both the N5105 and this newer J6413 units. I had the exact opposite experience with pass through! Although both of them worked, the N5105 opnsense vm kept throwing kernel panics after 18-20hs of operation. Tried KVM on Proxmox and Ubuntu. This new one is much more stable. IOMMU groups are far better as well. I feel that m.2 slot aside, it is a far more stable virtual host than the N5105. Oh, and my power button is not upside down 🙃! OH, and the power dip switch is a hardware always on feature (restore power on ac loss)

@Jorvs Рік тому

Did you tried running opnsense? On them? How are they in idle mode? How much power difference?

@rafaelreisr Рік тому

@@Jorvs opnsense bare metal is rock solid on both of them! That was the chosen deployment for the N5105 since it wasn’t stable as a VM host. Power consumption really depends on the PSU you get. I got a liteon and a Samsung with each one. But it is pretty close to Patrick’s numbers.

@Jorvs Рік тому

@@rafaelreisr what do mean by unstable N5105 in proxmox? what does it do to be unstable

@skyewalker40 Рік тому

I ordered a bare bones Kingnovy i7-1165G7 version of this off of Amazon and this was what got delivered. I knew there was a problem when I saw an MSATA slot.

@IanMcGillivray-ik7xy Рік тому

It seemed exactly what I needed, until the lack of proper hardware virtualization was explained. It seems a HUGE omission at it seems to be marketed towards those who use their own servers. So for those who bought one, is there a BIOS update to enable SR-IOV/IOMMU ?

@ThorinIT Рік тому

lol - the LTT Driver sitting neatly on the shelf :D

@marcod8620 Рік тому

I don't know why you could not passthrough the NICs in Proxmox, but i have the J6413 box running with Proxmox since three months and i pass four NICs to my OPNSense without problems. I just had to use 5.19 kernel in Proxmox because of freezes but also with the 5.15 kernel the passthrough was working.

@weifengmao Рік тому

There is also a variation of this unit that supports POE out, the lack of nvme is a bummer though.

@Bust0ut Рік тому

Out of all the boxes that you've reviewed, which would be your choice for a router that would go in a Structured Media Enclosure? I'm currently fitting an Asus GT-AX600 in mine and would like to just use it as an access point in a more central location along with one of these boxes as an Opensense router.

@Mooticus 9 місяців тому

What's that other paperclip accessible button? There's 2: The left with a logo with a clock with a counter clockwise curricular arrow around it The right has a rectangle with R inside

@pincombe Рік тому

Great video, good to know that the 5105 still hasn't been dethroned :) I know this is off topic but I would love to see some content on helping build a home server. Looking for a good compromise between performance and idle running costs. Completely confused about what kind of processor to get whether to get a new Core i9, Ryzen or a used Xeon, Epyc processor. I also don't understand server motherboards very well. What features should I be looking for? IPCM? Do I need ECC memory? Do I need a special PSU compared to a standard desktop computer? Are prebuilt from Dell, Lenovo good value? So many questions and I'm just completely confused. For context I'm a software developer and I already run multiple promox servers from old desktop computers but would love to step up to something more powerful and dedicated to the task would like to upgrade above 64GB ram.

@curtispavlovec Рік тому

Yes! I keep thinking of an N5105 but the 16GB is a real limitation on RAM. Need 32 and ideally 64GB or even 128GB capable. And now the 12th gen minis are out and a lot more expensive but also a lot more powerful. Decisions decisions. Would love some guides on this.

@datawolk Рік тому

5105 or 6005?

@johnmarkzimm Рік тому

This looks like exactly what I am looking for. I just want a simple firewall box. If I set my ATT router/modem to pass through what do you suggest to add WI-FI to it? And, what category ethernet cables should I run to get the most out of those nics? Thank you

@MrComchris Рік тому

I got this unit with the J6412 CPU a month ago... But "shipping got mixed up" and it arrived with only 4GB/64GB, instead of the purchased 8GB/128GB. The error was acknowledged and fixed to my benefit by providing me with an additional 16GB RAM module via second delivery. I guess the usage of the mSATA is a result of the NICs using up the SOCs bifurcated PCIe lanes. In my personal “lab” use case this unit is actually replacing an opnsense VM running on PVE so I did not test the PCIe passthrough. The Bios offers a lot of “OEM” settings - but as with other expensive toys - it arrived without any documentation. Another question would be where to get UEFI updates? Also: I was unable to boot from the 2nd SATA port when the mSATA card was removed. But “chainloading hdb” worked. Might be relevant if used with only one SATA drive. PS: 2G5 ethernet is a bad compromise with driver issues on every OS, bad chips, power waste, expensive non-managed switches and many slow NICs. But after decades of 1GB@home max I’m glad we didn’t get a 2G5(+) VS 2g5(-) format war or new rounded connectors ;D

@gjkrisa Рік тому

10:44 What I do with my fabless firewall is I added usb fans to the outside of the case but pfsense still reads pretty much same temps on off winter or summer think temps are around 80f

@christopherjackson2157 Рік тому

Serial console is nice Not something I use often... but at some point during the device's life yea it'll end saving me a painful couple hours I'm sure

@jbhorner Рік тому

Not sure if the tabs at the top of the Ethernet ports are for heat versus shielding. It was noted that it was for heat dissipation. Is that what the MFR stated? It looks suspiciously like an input to whole-unit RF shielding.

@Tron1411 Рік тому

I ordered this topton x6 baremetal from aliexpress for 175€ in November. It just arrived last week, so this Video is really helpful! I am curious if the nic passthrough Problem will get fixed or is it just the way it is now since I was thinking about using opnsense in proxmox with some other Containers. If not, I will just use it as a bare Metal Firewall.

@Primant Рік тому

When Patrick is showing off the memory, I first thought he said Vasectomy....oh lord. Great video either way!

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

How would you say it? I never had that thought, but funny comment :-)

@Primant Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo I think you said it fine and as best you can, mentally I just heard Vasectomy 🙂

@ThorRavnsborg Рік тому

I already bought two of these and I agree with your findings. I thought they had NVMe when I ordered them but I still think they're pretty great for what they are though. As you mention there's no noticeable performance difference between J6413 and N5105 (except in graphics performance where N5105 has 24 execution units and J6413 only has 16 in comparison but that makes no difference in networking applications). However, I have heard some people say that J6413 run more stably than N5105. Possibly power consumption is also a tiny bit lower (but that could also be due to a better power supply as you mention).

@efimovv Рік тому

I think you can order mPCI to M.2 adapter for them.

@Jorvs Рік тому

What are running tehm on opnsense? How are they compared when idle mode running like opnsense?

@illn0r Рік тому

Is it an actual on off switch? or is it an on off toggle for when power is restored?

@carloosgongora1701 Рік тому

nice video, can you make a video review of the iKOOLCORE R1 Palm-sized Mini PC with 4 x 2.5 GbE ports 👍🏻👍🏻

@sesl91 Рік тому

I got a barebone one of these with the N5105 so I could put in my own RAM and NVMe to run Proxmox but since it's installed in my media center, I'm definitely not letting the iGPU does not go to waste with one of my VMs running Batocera and passing through bluetooth for the controllers =)

@michaelwright1602 Рік тому

Is there filtering on this unit for the AV system?

@goetz-g Рік тому

How is PPPoE performance? Digging deeper into this FW with OPNSense or Pfsense reveald that none are capable to offer 1Gbit performance if it is not a desktop class >65W TDP processer with a good single thread performance due to FreeBSD. What are US carrier use as access protocol for residential customers?

@jasonistre Рік тому

Do these devices get any support like firmware updates and fixes? Or are they just print and ship and done?

@dx0439581797 Рік тому

Random question does one of these thing include a the modem or is it just a router/firewall?

@MackemChops Рік тому

What is that high speed gibber at exactly 20mins (about the N5105 alternative having better features) actually saying? As much as I love the high speed delivery generally, there are times when I just can't understand important information.

@flibustieros Рік тому

I like odroid h3+, but is there something with ECC memory, 2 SATA ports and very low power consumption? Ofc ability to use pcie cards or add some 10gbe adapter would be cool. I have 2670v2 in powersave mode, supermicro mb, 16x4 ram, 1 Intel SATA SSD for the system and 1 18 tb 3.5" HDD for data. It consumes about 80w while idle. Electricity cost is very high now. If reduce 80w->30w it saves about 180$ per year. I chose odroid h3+ but there is no ECC memory

@barebrickbuilds Рік тому

I’ve had this unit for about 2 months. Pfsense plus works great as CE needs to be updated. I reapplied thermal pads and paste I haven’t seen it get over 35C. I finally found the fan port you need to remove the motherboard from the case (poor design for sure). Over all it’s a solid little unit.

@thezfunk Рік тому

I thought PfSense doesn't support the 226 NICs yet?

@barebrickbuilds Рік тому

Pfsence CE doesn’t support it but once you update to plus for free (home user) it works really nicely.

@jaycahow4667 Рік тому

@@thezfunk I have been running the 2.7 beta which does for months without issues.

@Pabula Рік тому

Any chance on doing a video researching the issues with the I226? seems techpowerup has an investigation, "The Intel Ethernet i226-V onboard 2.5 GbE controller appears to have a design flaw that causes the Ethernet connection to drop at random times for a few seconds"

@StahLHerZRocK Рік тому

similar problem you can get with realtek 2.5gbe solutions.

@verygoodbrother Рік тому

Do any of these devices support coreboot?

@CarAudioInc Рік тому

power button is upside down, what the hell! haha good vid dood

@FlexibleToast Рік тому

Add a couple 10G SFP+ ports and it might be perfect.

@ronwatkins5775 Рік тому

Do you know of any 2.5GB RJ45 Pcie cards which would work in an HP DL G7/G8 box to connect to this?

@7rich79 Рік тому

Vaseky seems like the name you would give to a company working in family planning sector :) The device is interesting, but it looks like it's almsot 2U in height.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

Ha!

@FaroKevin Рік тому

Great video! I just ordered a N6005 unit for using as a proxmox/xsense fw. But I have some concerns about possible chinese backdoors. What are your thoughts about this, since new units keep on popping up.

@hawk_7000 Рік тому

One thing that Patrick has said many times is that he wouldn't run whatever software may come preinstalled (if you buy a unit that includes storage, that is). In terms of the hardware/firmware, it's of course more difficult to do anything other than hope for the best. There are some "brands" that are kind of "established" in this niche market (like Topton), but it doesn't mean all that much in the end.

@FaroKevin Рік тому

I've ordered mine barebone, but seems indeed that we should hope for the best. It would be an interesting video though for a professional who can analyse these boards on component level to find out ;).

@gmatochautube Рік тому

I have the same concern. There is an easy way to find out if you have the resources - install it "open" behind a "known good" firewall, let it run for a while, and watch for suspicion traffic (maybe future STH video? ;) )

@ChrisNguyen01 Рік тому

Anything like this but with POE ports?

@YKSGuy Рік тому

Nice to see the updated NIC chipset but it is staring to feel like these reviews are SUPER similar.. I guess it is good from the point of view of knowing which one of these devices work however would be nice to see more variety like the R86s actually being a different form factor / design.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

Totally agree. We are trying to figure out the balance since these are getting updated every 2-3 months. This was a new CPU, and we wanted to see how it performed.

@mph8759 Рік тому

I have this box with 500GB m.SATA SSD and 32GB of RAM and it’s really nice in terms of performance. It gets quite warm to around 55C recorded on the CPU temperature probes, and very warm (hot) to the touch. I’m running OPNSense on it now as pfsense doesn’t support the i226-v chip yet and there was no way to get it to work after extensive digging on Google and through forums. The fan pin header on the mobo is definitely missing, which is annoying. To the comment to find power elsewhere on the board for a fan is a bit tricky as USB has 5V but would want 12V for a fan. Funny about the upside-down power button - I haven’t noticed at all 😅

@fourmobro6214 Рік тому

pfsense 2.7 works just fine on this with pci passthru. I understand it is developmental, but still works.

@mph8759 Рік тому

By the way the Aliexpress description even says “3-pin fan header” under the connections. So that’s a wrong description

@Wonkoification Рік тому

Unfortunately I'm always looking for Equipment with a remote control port like IPMI. I want to run it headless all the time and love the IPMI feature.

@Sillyvan Рік тому

what is your opinion on N5100 vs N5105 btw? i can find these for 100 bucks

@TecraTube 8 місяців тому

I just bought the one with n305 with 32gb DDR5 and six 2.5gb ethernet ports

@miles267 Рік тому

Does this have anything like ILO or IPMI?

@thepastrecedes1635 Рік тому

What are your thoughts on chinese backdoor security issues with these aliexpress systems

@CO7DFiRE Рік тому

Please review the new Topton i7 1265U i226-V box

@boss2688 Рік тому

i need one like this that has 1 port that can do 5gbase-t for my new ATT 5gig fiber or maybe 2 ports that can do 1/2.5/5/10, not really a need for more than 1 in and 1 out.

@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt Рік тому

Look up R86S

@boss2688 Рік тому

@@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt STH's review states the 10gb ports cannot negotiate at 2.5/5gbase-t

@solomonhilliard5357 Рік тому

What is the name of the cable that powers the SATA drives on boards like this?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

I have no idea. It comes with the system. They are actually different between the iterations of the systems

@efimovv Рік тому

Regarding better design of heatsinks & com on J version - this is untrue. I have 6-port N5105 version with COM and heatsinks on other side and they are "old" I225-V v3. And laso with double M.2 slots on them. So, this is just package. And 4 port version also have COM - header soldered inside and needs cable with DB9.

@OmairArif Рік тому

For basic home use, is there any advantage to having so many ethernet ports? I picked one of these up as my first venture into pfsense/opnsense, and I'm just utilizing two of the six ports right now. I can't see a need for 5 separate LANs. I had originally planned on bridging the LAN ports together to act as a switch, but everyone seems to recommend against that.

@levifig Рік тому

Bridge most of the ports and use it as a 2.5GBe switch?

@TanKianW79 Рік тому

"Discourage" because the unit does not come with a "switch chip" or "ASIC". So you will not run line speed between ports when running as a switch. Furthermore, every switching taxes the CPU which should be put to better use (Eg. IDS/IPS, firewalling, NAT, etc). For someone who also uses a MikroTik, I will totally use it with a CRS switch for switching.

@levifig Рік тому

@@TanKianW79 Agree, totally! Btw: I love MikroTik (my main switch is a CRS328) but they don't have 2.5GBe switches… :\

@catchnkill Рік тому

These type of boxes are for software router function. Thus it offers a lot of ethernet ports. In China it is not uncommon to guys subscribe to three broadband providers. 3 wan 1 lan and it takes four ports already. The last up is for connecting to a switch that provides ports for web cams.

@RazorSkinned86 Рік тому

I wish that manufacturers and brands didn't have to do the price shenanigans when inventory runs out in order to not have their aliexpress, amazon, and other online retail product pages have their rankings reset. I get that setting the price to something no one will purchase is a way to not mark it out of stock while not having to fulfill any orders but damn it's annoying.

@l0gic23 Рік тому

Those games don't help them. Search algorithms are more advanced... They are using tic-tac-toe level strategy... Not even in the same game as a search algorithm.

@ashrafulalam3047 Рік тому

I ordered my N5105, i226-v no ram, no storage unit, any suggestions on compatible RAM brand and NVME M.2 SSD so I could pick those up locally?

@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt Рік тому

Mine is a n5105 with i226-V and I bought silicon power for the nvme and SK Hynix ram (2x4gb) both from Amazon. Was dirt cheap and has been stable with OPN sense. Now I'm trying to hunt down a managed, multigigbit switch with poe. That's proving to be near impossible for under $350

@LiguTheBest 9 місяців тому

Since these are Chinese devices, does anyone checked whether they contain any backdoors etc? I need to trust these to be used as my main fw.

@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt Рік тому

I need a managed 2.5gb poe switch. I have Wifi 6 AP's and 2.5gb or better nics in my PCs. I Prefer a desktop/all mount size. So pretty much not rack only. Should I get one switch or multiples to fill me needs. Not much exits unless you drop nearly $500

@efimovv Рік тому

You can order Hasivo ones (dumb ones reviewed by STH) from Ali. Now they have managed 8*2.5 and 5*2.5 + 2*SFP+

@SimonTekConley Рік тому

What? No 13w3 video connector?

@gowinfanless Рік тому

It looks nice,let's make something new and special!!

@kriansa Рік тому

I have an E3845 since 2017 that just recently died (RIP) so I had to buy another. I went with the 5105 unit with the chunkier chassis. Thanks, Pat for these insane reviews :)

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

I am a big fan of that box! Enjoy!

@WilliamHinojosa 11 місяців тому

What is an Entity105?

@-Mr.Mullet- Рік тому

Hi. When will you review the new i5-1235U i226v version?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

I think Bryan did photos/ B-roll done at this point and Rohit is testing. I still need to record the video and then Alex needs to edit. So about mid-way in the process.

@MrHipp00 Рік тому

where is the link to the n5015?

@Sfeclicel Рік тому

Nothing about the 4g minipcie slot, m.2 slot (specs, what fits?), sim slot? what comes in the box?

@efimovv Рік тому

There is no M.2 slot.

@KrK-EST Рік тому

VGA/DVI is needed for rugged electronics.

@michaelwright1602 Рік тому

Have you installed this in an Audio/Video system? Any noise reduction/filtering going on?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

We are just using a MKH-416 directly into a C70. We are not applying additional noise filtering.

@michaelwright1602 Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Results in regards to cleaner sound? I purchased a Netgear GS108Ev3 switch and it blew me away... Always looking for something better. ;-)

@patrickhanft Рік тому

I want one with an SFP slot.

@jupilerinterbrew8957 Рік тому

Can they handle an ipsec tunnels with 1 Gb/s throughput? That is for me the big question

@jhonedoe3734 Рік тому

Yes

@l4kr 7 місяців тому

Why IPsec when you can just do Wireguard

@chrcoluk Рік тому

Why would you need nvme for a firewall though? it would just inflate the cost of the product with no practical benefit.

@toniferic-tech8733 9 місяців тому

No NVMe? 🙁

@Demios101 Рік тому

Me: oooh tell me more Patrick: AliExpress Me: *sigh*

@Pit_stains Рік тому

no m.2 is a huge bummer. I would buy it in a heartbeat if it did.

@MarcHeyer Рік тому

Nice Video, that you very much. Video Idea: on AliExpress I saw an ITX Board with integrated N6005 and I-226 Nics and 6 SATA Slots for around 230€. I was wondering if this is viable as a unRAID Server with Plex streaming. Maybe this is something for a future video 😉

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

We have this one. I am not sure if we are going to do a video or just a main site article for it.

@MarcHeyer Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo okay, nice. A article would be sufficient too 😄. With current energy prices in Europe, this board seems a good option for a low power unRAID Server, but I don't know how much it can handle. Thanks for your work.

@kenyakking Рік тому

Could you add a link to the AliExpress motherboard? Looking for one with a lot of sata ports or an m.2 slot for a sata expansion card.

@xan590 Рік тому

i226-V on regular consumer motherboards are having issues in Windows. Are these issues happening on pfSense or OPNSense? wondering if anyone has first hand experience on this

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

The issues seem to be on some consumer motherboards using Windows drivers. We have a bunch of these systems running Linux and have not seen an issue yet.

@xan590 Рік тому

Thank you very much

@mjmeans7983 Рік тому

$250 is still too expensive for me. I'm interested in any pfSense/OpenWRT compatible hardware that has an equivalent price to the lowest cost new DD-WRT compatible hardware, sub-$100 range. Is raspberry Pi 3/4 and OpenWRT a good choice? Is there a better choice for less than $100?

@GeneralBadLuck Рік тому

You're not going to find newer hardware or this form factor for the price you're looking for.

@joshhardin666 Рік тому

does anyone have a 10g version that doesn't suck?

@kwinzman Рік тому

I am gonna comment the same as on every such video: I am holding off buying any of those until I can get it with ECC DIMM support.

@LerrySanders Рік тому

Stupid question, but what software would you use to use this as a router?

@jhonedoe3734 Рік тому

Pfsense

@joefx69 Рік тому

Do these NICs work properly yet? I’ve heard they are a nightmare

@mattj5155 Рік тому

i226Vs work flawlessly with OPNsense. Not a single hiccup. The problems were with the older i225 variants.

@joefx69 Рік тому

@@mattj5155 Ah great news, thanks buddy

@marcus3d Рік тому

21:00 "much better than some of the units we saw earlier this year"? How many units did you have time to test during the two earlier days of this year? 😅

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

Ha! Trailing 365 day year :-) it was also recorded a few weeks ago

@daltonschrader8328 Рік тому

I wanna see a mini pc with dual SFP+ ports

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

Like this? ukposts.info/have/v-deo/kl2KgK9kiYiLz4E.html

@JimFeig Рік тому

Tom's Hardware says the i226-V is suffering from random connection drops.

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

Originally via TPU's reporting. The drops seem to happen under Windows. We have several of these running under Linux and have not seen that yet.

@JimFeig Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Since pfSense is FreeBSD, is that also unaffected?

@kostiantyndidovych8403 Рік тому

Bought same model with J6413. Have several issues. 1. Both of my 2 half-size wifi card are not working (no devices found on both tested ubuntu22.04 and opnSense). Was trying to make router, but without working wifi - failed. USB one is not so stable. 2. (Just was curious) Cannot install windows as there is no drivers. Mini PC came without any paper documentation. Also didn't find any usefully in net. ( 3. It is hot enough even without any serious load. (Disappointed in this model).

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

#1 We did not test. #2 Interesting, this uses pretty standard Intel IP and the newest Intel NIC driver pack has the i226. You are 100% right on documentation being challenging. #3 We had like 38C as our SoC idle temps on the units we had for this one. These stayed cool, but the chassis do get warm since they are passively cooled.

@nick-leffler Рік тому

Hopefully this work better than the n6005/n5105 and Proxmox. Many of us are having issues.

@ztech-consulting Рік тому

What issues? I have the n5105 version and no issues with OPNSense

@AlexanderWeurding Рік тому

@@ztech-consulting Still need to install the 6005. Any recommendations?

@nick-leffler Рік тому

@@ztech-consulting are you using ProxMox? Random VMs crashing.

@murderbymodem Рік тому

I kinda don't understand going through the hassle of Proxmox on these low-power CPUs. Plus, running Proxmox, you're forced to tie up one of your NICs for the Proxmox interface. So that leaves you with a 5-port router instead of a 6-port. I've had a great experience just installing OpenWRT on my unit. It was just set and forget, and I'm enjoying no longer being bottlenecked by 1Gig ports on my 1400Mbps internet plan.

@ztech-consulting Рік тому

@@nick-leffler no I have opnsense installed bare metal. Makes no sense running proxmox on such an underpowered cpu.

@ammccormick Рік тому

It kills me that the power button is upside down. It's such a small thing, why couldn't they do it right?

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

Looks like it will be the same on the next-gen too. www.servethehome.com/new-2023-n-series-gracemont-cpus-are-a-huge-upgrade/

@minigpracing3068 Рік тому

I've had really good luck with the cheap HDMI to vga converters from the different massive market places. Used on Pi, single board Intel linux/windows computers, etc. Cheap enough that I don't really care if something only has HDMI now.

@whothefoxcares Рік тому

Gaming routers need #RGBlighting

@cdoublejj Рік тому

now if it had ryzen version with console port

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

We reviewed the Ryzen version of these, but it has a fan and only 4x 2.5GbE ukposts.info/have/v-deo/oGeGaJx6oZWB0Kc.html

@cdoublejj Рік тому

@@ServeTheHomeVideo TY, too mad it doesn't have console or the cooling fin case

@aor980 Рік тому

Looks like a Vault

@kindanyume Рік тому

Why do you continue to FAIL to not benchmark these units for their use as a switch as well.. since it certainly can be a big factor for anyone doing LAN xfers and wanting to use that 2.5 nic to its full advantage.. but are not wanting to buy a separate dedicated switch (yet) Also note.. the 6412/13 supports Hardware AV1 decoding which the older designs lack.. it also supports faster ram than the 5105 does which could make for a potential impact of note.. depending on use case of course..

@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt Рік тому

Why not just set yours up as a switch and test it. Then restore the config and profit?

@kindanyume Рік тому

@@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt kinda impossible to do that if you dont have one of those in hand to do such a test with eh? However they obviously do have such in hand and it really should be a part of the basic tests on boxes like this since many will want to use such as a replacement/alternative to a consumer router.. just add a dedicated wifi ap for best placement. Also many users that would be in this class of hw would have a few systems using 2.5gb but not necessarily enough to justify a standalone 2.5 class switch Example case in a friends place which I wired ages ago so it can easily handle 2.5gb on copper (it's good enough for 10gb but as we all know that sadly costs far more still) 6 port like this could easily be 1 WAN, 1 wifi AP, 1 downlink to 1GB switch, 1 to NAS and 2 left to newer PCs But if it cant handle full 2.5GB on all the ports at once then that will limit its ability as a switch for obvious reasons. The other thing I found sadly missing from these lil boxes is any SFP+ capability but yeah I know most cases for that will be dedicated switch and much highernspeeds

@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt Рік тому

@@kindanyume I have one. With open sense and pfsense the nics aren't switched. Most consumer routers are switches and routers in one box. These appliances are not that. You have to designate a wan port and bridge the remaining ports. It warns you performance will take a hit when bridging vs using an actual switch after the unit. Mine is the 4 port. I have one as a wan port and 3 lan ports are bridged to act as a switch. Otherwise they do nothing. I can get about 2.3 gigabits to my Linux server in iperf. Haven't tested all ports on the bridge at once though. I do have wifi 6 aps hooked up to it though. I have my PC, server/Nas, and 1gb poe switch for the aps connected to the router via the bridge lan ports. The 1gb switch does hold back the APs a little bit but I don't care. My internet is only gigabit fiber anyways very rarely does my wireless network use even 500mb of bandwidth.

@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt Рік тому

@@kindanyume n5105 4 port i226 using opnsense.

@AlexanderWeurding Рік тому

Shoot! Just had my 6005 delivered :( not looking promising

@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому

N5105/ N6005 are faster than this is.

@tabascocrimson7865 Рік тому

The network features are totally incoherent with CPU power for this one. I'd gladly pay double the price for any ryzen cpu

@l4kr 7 місяців тому

Reliability is more important on firewalls

@tabascocrimson7865 7 місяців тому

@@l4kr Reliability is more important than... not enough cpu power to make this product actually worthwhile? What is your point.

@YerBrwnDogAteMyRabit Рік тому

I usually don't hear a word after "Celeron", but..

@efimovv Рік тому

Those CPUs have really dumb naming. "Pentium" N6005 have just 300MHz faster than "Celeron" N5105 and cost a lot more, end of diff.

@MrLordbeavis Рік тому

The little switch can be mapped to a script to connect a vpn

@MichalCanecky Рік тому

I wish some of those ports were PoE

@hayzeproductions7093 Рік тому

Personally, i still wouldn't use this for commercial application. I find that it lacks there of, Should consider using QSFP or SFP ports instead of regular ethernet ports even though they are 2.5g ethernet. Most business in central US still us 1G Ethernet but have QSFP or SFP optional switches. plugging a 2.5gb ethernet to a 1g ethernet on a 24 port switch with QSFP ports just diminishes the entire module for production with mid size or large size business environments. Seems that PF Sense is spending more time working on home lab infrastructure rather than industrial and larger business environments. I know PF Sense also supports LAGG and LACP. But this box thats being reviewed in video i would hard rather hard pass. Instead throw together an Dell R310 with an Quad SFP or dual QSFP controller with 32 gigs of ram dual 6 core cpu and 4 ssd's in raid 0. Thats my solution for business grade networking.