3x 2.5GbE Fanless Firewalls Compared
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День томуIn this video, we take a look at three 6x 2.5GbE fanless firewall, VPN, and router boxes. Two utilize the Intel Core i7-1165G7 a higher-performance solution. One of those two we recommend. One uses the Intel N6005 and worked, but we have a different recommendation on. We typically use these for Proxmox VE virtualization, pfSense or OPNsense firewalls, OpenWRT, or other similar use cases.
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Where to Find The Unit We Purchased
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AliExpress via Topton Stores (links have updated since we purchased.)
Note: These have a lot of variability, so some people have had to apply thermal paste and etc.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction
02:48 N6005 6x 2.5GbE Hardware Overview
07:57 Core i7-1165G7 Hardware Overview
13:30 Performance
16:02 Power Consumption
18:28 BIOS and pfSense, OPNsense, and Proxmox VE
19:02 Key Lessons Learned
23:30 Final Words
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Other STH Content Mentioned in this Video
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- 4x 2.5GbE J4125 Unit (Hnsun): • 4x 2.5GbE Intel J4125 ...
- 4x 2.5GbE N5105 Unit: • NEW 2.5GbE Fanless Rou...
- 4x 2.5GbE N6005 Unit: • Fastest Cheap 4x 2.5Gb...
- Netgate 4100 pfSense Plus Review: • An 11W pfSense Plus 1/...
- Intel QuickAsssit (QAT) Cards: • Intel QuickAssist is a...
- TinyPilot Raspberry Pi KVM: • TinyPilot Voyager Simp...
Here are the threads mentioned on the early units STH readers got. (Bitly to the STH forum resource since apparently, YT does not like the URL)
- Main N6005 Thread: bit.ly/3OxmYf9
- More discussion on the forums: bit.ly/3a2ayN4
@johnknightiii1351 Рік тому
This is what I have been waiting for. Thank you for continuing this amazing series.
@Ilost11 Рік тому
I noticed that the i5 1135G7 was also sold as option over Intel Core i7-1165G7. Due to the fan-less designs, same core count and TDP limitations. They score nearly identically in passmark. The small uplift of the IPC for the I7 is likely not worth the price premium. The TDP limitation and fanless design will likely make that .5 Ghz turbo difference between the two meaningless. The money is better spent on a low rpm small noctua fan that will help the chip maintain it's speed at which point the I5 will likely have better results than the fan-less I7 variant. Thanks for the great overview.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Very wise observation.
@YM-xz6xt Рік тому
Has anyone tested the I5 version?
@Ilost11 Рік тому
@@YM-xz6xt If the computer chasis is the exact same it would follow the performance should be same too considering they are within 4% on passmark. In some odd instances (without CPU tuning) the I5 variant may post better benchmark results than the I7 after several benchmark runs. As it is with hardware, there are no free lunches. Meaning that the I7 while maybe binned a bit better will use more voltage to turbo that .5GHz higher than the I5. In a fan-less case that would mean that the real use case TDP would be a bit higher and that the chip gets slightly hotter. When it gets too hot it throttles and so a chip that takes longer to reach thermal throttling could have better multi-threaded performance despite single threaded score being slightly worse. So depending on the thermals of this case, it may even follow that in the fan-less configuration the I5 variant is faster than the I7 for sustained all core loads. Given the very small difference in clocks and cache.
@YM-xz6xt Рік тому
@@Ilost11 thanks for the explanation. I'm wondering how to lower tdp through the bios, looking for a kind of guide through this.
@Ilost11 Рік тому
@@YM-xz6xt It is typically present or not present. There usually isn't some "secret menu" in the bios. One can use intel XTU to limit wattage, but that's in windows and would defeat the purpose of this kind of PC. There are ways of tuning the CPU in Linux too, but TDP limitations are usually set directly in bios. Unfortunately I don't have this PC so I don't know if it is present.
@MrBobbybrady Рік тому
Finally!!!! Glad you gave these a look. More 6 port mini pc's please.
@slim5782 Рік тому
Thank you for really highlighting power usage in recent video's, total cost of ownership is the name of the game.
@jfkastner Рік тому
Good overview and comparison, thank you!
@CraigLabute Рік тому
Thermal camera shots were good. Easy way to show heat for side-by-side comparisons too!
@JeffGeerling Рік тому
These look like great options between a full on enterprise router and the higher end consumer ones... but I really would love to get one with two SFP+ ports that do 10G. Or PCIe expansion over to the side so I could throw in a dual 10G card, but that gets way too niche! Though the processors might not be able to keep up with routing/firewall at 10G...
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
The i7-1165G7 is fast enough for many 10GbE firewalls
@cdoublejj Рік тому
I ended up just building out a super micro pizza box 1u with my own mobo choice. Though if I did it again I'd use AMD since I tell tends to be constantly patching for baked in vulnerabilities but, odly I'd pair it with Intel NICs for superior other OS support. Or at least beeter than broadcome and realtek. Also SFP+ and enough power to inspect and rout and multigig/10g
@efimovv Рік тому
In fact you can get one - geek device from chineese guys, R86S have "version" with 2 10G SFP+ cages. SFP+ ports connected to 4 lane of PCIe bus so they can keep up at least with bandwith to CPU.
@p4wk0r Рік тому
also looking for some sfp+ option
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
@@efimovv Still waiting on ours to arrive for over a month now.
@tristankordek Рік тому
Thermovision can be very useful, so thanks for the info.
@TekmanRO Рік тому
The N6005 also has an integrated GPU with QuickSync and can totally do hardware transcoding without breaking a sweat.
@MichaelSmith-fg8xh Рік тому
+AV1 decode
@mackado Рік тому
Man, I just want one of these in a bigger chassis with lots of SATA ports for a DIY NAS
@gowinfanless Рік тому
You Are totally right!
@MichaelSmith-fg8xh Рік тому
I got excited about the hardware decode... I tested it, it can't cope with 4K video decode consistantly
@gowinfanless Рік тому
@@MichaelSmith-fg8xh Hi Michael.I'm sure the R86S-G3 works well with 4K .
@chromerims Рік тому
Excellent vid 👍 Thank you, Patrick and team. These devices might be candidates for hyperconverged, composable cattle in a home lab. Thx for showing the BIOS. Thx for testing ProxMox. Are those *_GPIO pins_* on both N6005 (5:31) and 1165 (9:47) boards? A custom fan script might be doable. Kind regards.
@webluke Рік тому
Linus Tech Tips would approve of your drop test. Also, wtf is a "Mo Damn?" If I weren't invested in the Unifi ecosystem, these would be fun to use for a router.
@jolness1 Рік тому
Would love to have a couple 10Gbe or SFP+ like Jeff said. Still a good upgrade from my 1Gbe setup I have now. Torn on something like this so I can run pihole and a firewall on one box like this or getting a MikroTik 10G 4 port setup so I can actually get better performance out of my TrueNAS box with HGST drives. 10G would be way more than enough headroom for the future but 2.5 would be a great bump up and a little simpler overall since my PC's mobo supports it and they make good USB adaptors for my Mac. Great content as always!
@MichaelSmith-fg8xh Рік тому
Been running a diy sfp+ opnsense, sfp+ truenas, mikrotik 8 port switch for 4 years. No regrets. I like the UI for pihole but pfsense/opnsense can do the same blocking so I can’t be bothered running pihole. Having the 8 port sfp+, I can have up to 4-5 rj45 ports using 4 sfp+/rj45 1/2.5/5/10 adapters
@rasp0000 Рік тому
Stick to switches for layer2.
@BeastChan23 Рік тому
I have an N5105 4 port unit that I've been pretty happy with, did end up buying a USB fan for it though as the chassis got way too hot where touching it was not an option. My unit ended up costing me around $150 barebones, so looks like they're going up in price if they're found now over $200
@DominicFlynn Рік тому
I think the only advantage of the n6005 over the n5105 is that the n6005 supports a few more video encoding codecs. So might be a choice if you intend to use it as a media server as well as a router.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Fair point
@joost00719 Рік тому
I just bought one a few hours ago (the n5105 one) for 150 euros. (import tarifs not included) Got 2x8gb laptop ram from a 2nd hand market place yesterday and a 500gb ssd for 50 euros. I think I got a good deal if customs don't check my package.
@AnIdiotAboard_ Рік тому
Now this is an experiment ive been waiting for...
@ricki-bobby Рік тому
Would love a video just on Palo Alto firewalls compared to what is being used in the consumer space
@alfblack2 Рік тому
the FLIR check is very good information IMO.
@gtvwill Рік тому
yay more mikrotik reviews!
@jamess1787 Рік тому
Flir was cool, thanks!
@WiKAi Рік тому
I just got the "KingNovy" 6-port one with a J4125 in it last week. Works great! I couldn't find a reasonably priced mSATA-SSD, so I ended up going with a 2.5" one. There's enough room to fit it internally, but the raised metal cut-out thingie puts stress on the SATA connectors when you screw the drive down. Not sure what they were thinking there... Ended up putting spacers between the drive and the mounting plate to fix it.
@corypechon Рік тому
same, i went with a 15mm 5tb rust drive though, which is even worse
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Yes. These are designed very strangely.
@rarekid740 Рік тому
Absolutely stupid method, mine has a N5105 and a M.2 slot so I'm usin tat though. But thinking workaround for the 2.5" would be just to tape it to the lid.
@Tsofuable Рік тому
If it was like mine they just installed the bottom plate upside down. It is meant to protrude to the outside to give space to the connectors. I flipped it + reattached the feet and no issues.
@rarekid740 Рік тому
@@Tsofuable That makes so much sense thanks
@djtempaone Рік тому
I bought the 5105 4 port and now waiting for the 12th gen i5/i7s to be released!
@bridgetrobertson7134 Рік тому
Looking forward to Mikrotik stuff. I already have one of their bigger 10G switch/routers. I trust them and I'm not looking to roll dice on Ali Express. I assume that was the RB5009 you held up. Looking forward to seeing how it compares with what I have and if I want to trade out. I bought way too much for what I actually do with it.
@johntrussell7228 Рік тому
I really wish you would do a review of the Firewalla Gold or the new Firewalla Gold 2.5Gb
@johnkn Рік тому
I have a very similar HUNSN unit and the mini-pcie slot is on the bottom of the motherboard
@krj15489 Рік тому
How do you configure your i225 nics when using proxmox? virtual adapter or passthrough? I'm having some difficulties getting that chipset running on my community edition PFsense install. Love your videos.
@The_Cinder Рік тому
I personally snagged something a little more interesting, its a motherboard version of this Fanless Firewall accompanied with a N6005, (4) 2.5G Intel adapters but most interestingly 6 SATA drive slots and 2 M2 slots. Although the M2 drives do seem to be limited in speed. 32GB RAM, no problem. No hardware RAID, but it's a really cool cheap homelab solution where you can connect a lot of storage for 250$.
@denvera1g1 Рік тому
15:13 Speaking of Plex, in 2020 i purpose built a plex server using a Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G (with ECC memory) to record over the air TV and movies, it worked amazingly, however, I didnt know that the AMD GPUs were not supported by Plex, and the integrated GPU Could not be used for playback transcode: when a device doesnt support the video codec for a speciffic file either the CPU or GPU is used to transcode to something compatible. The problem is that this meant i often couldnt watch anything until the tuners were no longer in use because watching a show/mobie, would cause the recording to fail. This was made worse by the fact that i had no free PCIe slots, meaning i had to either give up the TV tuners, give up the rack mount form factor, or build an Intel based machine. I decided to build an Intel based machine, though i did try Apple, and the M1 seems to work well, i had issues with excessive write to local storage instead of network up to 3TB/day despite only recording maybe 10GB of TV. Also the Apple OS seemed to constantly forget to connect to my file server and i'd have to log back in and reconnect. As i was in the process of building a 12600k based computer for Plex, Plex started supporting AMD VCE for hardware transcoding, bitter sweet because it meant my plex server is now working as intoned, but now i've got this extra machine. Ii wasnt a complete waste, now i use the 12600k with TDARR to use CPU transcoding to convert these MASSIVE MPEG2 recordings(~2.5GB/hour at just 720p) over to H265(~500-1100MB/h depending on complexity and original quality), no quality loss, but files often 1/2 to as little as 1/6th the file size, where as GPU transcoding would sometimes be larger than the original(this is a problem unique to transcoding using a GPU from MPEG2 to basically any other non MPEG codec)
@user-ee9rd6je2w Рік тому
if you already have amd based machine you can migrate from plex to jellyfin, it works with all gpu and its free :)
@ptessier73 Рік тому
@@user-ee9rd6je2w Love Jellyfin, left PLEX behind
@embalmed Рік тому
Yeah, find someone stateside for these. I've been waiting for an order from Topton since July.
@jja2000 Рік тому
Are you guys going to take a look at the Elkhart Lake models Topton and such have released? They look very interesting to me.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Yes... They are taking a long time to arrive but have had two on order for weeks
@jja2000 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Jesus, well thanks for the reply. Will check out the review when/if they arrive!
@RichardErkens Рік тому
I switched from my super micro computer to the n5105. As of energy cost my bill will drop with €240 with the current energy cost. To only problem I found was the heat of this unit. The CPU got around 80c, put a fan to give it some cooling and now stays around 50c. Running proxmox with a couple of containers and pfsense.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Richard, check the contact between the chassis and CPU. Some of these come with poor contact and thus high temperatures.
@RichardErkens Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thank you for your reply. Cleaning the processor and adding new past did indeed give better results. The temperature is now around 60c. With fan around 50c. It looks like I can loose the fan now as 60c looks reasonable.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
@@RichardErkens Glad to hear. Quality control is the big challenge with these.
@bobwong8268 Рік тому
👍👍👍I am also running pfsense in proxmox in the heavier i7 model. May I know how you check the temperature of the CPU. Thx!
@RichardErkens Рік тому
@@bobwong8268 in shell: apt install xsensors then run with sensors
@TechieZeddie Рік тому
I can't find the Good one on Amazon or AliExpress. The closest one looks like the Good one but has a DB9 RS-232 COM port rather than the RJ-45 seen here. The chassis looks the same though. I may prefer a 9 pin COM port anyways since you don't have to worry if it's Cisco X1 or X2 (or something else entirely). Hopefully the thermals are the same as the Good one since it's got the same open "tube" design on the sides. I can't post external links, but if you can link directly to the one you have here that would be appreciated. I tried to find links on your forum and review in your description but they don't have them either.
@ascario Рік тому
I happen to have purchased the "less good" 1135g5 version. It has the same problems you pentioned Patrick. I was wondering if you could post bios settings to lower power consumption (and thus heat)? I've managed to set lower TDP settings but I hope there's something I missed as temps are still high. Performance is still good though. Also, did your units have an msata connector on the underside of the unit (the side with the cpu attached to the cooler)?
@YM-xz6xt Рік тому
Very good question, is there any guide on how to lower power and thus heat of the i5/i7 version?
@zeendaniels5809 Рік тому
Any suggestions on what access points use with something like this running opnsense? I don't need anything fancy... But if I can do 2 or 3 networks to run on separate VLANs it'll be great (to keep the traffic from guests and IoT devices separated from the main network).
@denvera1g1 Рік тому
11:50 Speaking of memory mismatch, a few weeks ago i made a backup file server, and i couldnt figure out why it said it had 56GB of RAM. Turns out i had accidentally thrown in 3 3x16GB Trident RGB, and then 1x8GB Trident RGB I had no idea you could mix and match capacity in the same channel. (By backup file server i mean a temporary thing where i can put a second backup of my primary, and not hit the secondary to re-build my primary if the TrueNAS upgrade went horribly wrong as the backup file server is spinning rust, and i want to avoid any and all un-needed read/writes)
@marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому
yeah if you put random mismatched RAM you will probably lose dualchannel so bandwith to RAM is reduced, but for a rando file server doesn't really matter and having more ram is better than having less with dualchannel
@d4rtarius Рік тому
Really interesting units. I have seen some RYZEN 5 5600U available that offers two M2 SSD connectors, I226 2.5gb from Intel and 4 ports, two DDR2 SODIMM sockets.. Seems decent. I'm actually wondering if any of these units are reliable though. I mean, if I had a choice between this and lets say, 2U chassis with a 5600X, PSU, M2 SSD, I would get a lot more airflow and would cost me just 200-300$ more. Don't get me wrong, these boxes are powerful but, they do get hot. You could "strap" a fan on it I suppose. It does take significantly less space. You could put it anywhere. What do you think? Any of you bought any of these units? For others, would you go with something like this or a 2U chassis you'd build yourself?
@FraggedUrMaker Рік тому
You should check out the Firewalla Gold Plus when it arrives. It's a 2.5G firewall :)
@rjohnsondev Рік тому
If anyone is struggling to get their 1165G7 unit to drop down into the lower power states and is struggling with heat, I had to: 1) Disable the eth0 NIC in the BIOS, it seems that there is some kind of conflict with this NIC messing up the ability for PCIE to drop down into lower power modes 2) `echo 2 > /sys/kernel/debug/pmc_core/ltr_ignore` - this works around the SATA controller preventing the PMC from entering into the lower states Finally, a `powertop --auto-tune` will enable everything else, and allow the CPU package to drop into C10, and the cores into C7. Unfortunately I don't think there will be any BIOS updates to fix these issues, but the workarounds seem to keep things to under 40 deg Celsius (the "bad" one) and CPU cores around 35.
@Digi20 Рік тому
You can find a version of those with 2 sfp+ ports, however the descriptions are rather wonky and i cant really find out what chipset they use for it or if it really can do 10gbit at all.
@hawwestin Рік тому
can you test the wwan capabilities over sim card? I'm interesed to have this as failover for my main ISP
@smmasongt Рік тому
Just got AT&T FTTH service. Their unit (OTN?) comes equipped with a 5 Gbps RJ45 port (yes, this is kind of annoying). I’d like a simple low power unit with one 10 Gbps SFP port for WAN and one for LAN, with firewall/basic routing at line rate, and 500 Mbps to 1 Gbps VPN. They are already selling service over 1 Gbps. I’d be willing to pay the premium for a professionally supported product like Netgate (don’t want to tinker with Chinese junk anymore). But I feel like the 4100 ended up in no man’s land. Really expensive but can’t meet the 1+ Gbps home power user or small business segment.
@ChayosDimension Рік тому
ServeTheHome drop tips confirm 08:10
@btudrus Рік тому
For an AP a miniPCIe slot much better than a M.2/type E. A problem, however, might be that the really good miniPCIe WiFi cards have a big cooler, so you cannot put a NVME on top of that...
@wskinnyodden Рік тому
Well, Qualcomm has a U.2 5G Modem which I actually have bought to build a custom OpenWRT router using an Atom Z8350 2Gb RAM and 16Gb eMMC based board, somewhat overkill for a home router but it will also do some other things like VPN Server/Client, Transparent Caching Proxy and will also have firewall/proxy based Adblocking which I intend to implement a port knocking to enable/disable on the fly hehe Pitty the boards with multiple Gigabit ports are a robbery price wise, as is it will have a 1Gbps Ethernet port connected to an 8 port gigabit switch and a WiFi 6 U.2/M.2 for the WiFi access point on 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz. This thing will purr like a Black Panther after dinner ;) The idea is to end up with an Upgradeable Router :)
@wskinnyodden Рік тому
Should be able to possible photos on the comments here so I could show that card :P
@LiveType Рік тому
I finally bagged a 4 port n5105 version for $100. Killer value. I remember when these first came out and getting excited only to see the ~$300 price tag and didn't feel like upgrading everything else to take advantage of the higher speeds during the abbarrent tech inflation that was last year. Guess tech really is heavily deflationary. Just need to be patient. 2021 appears to be a significant outlier.
@cronner Рік тому
where did you get it?
@LiveType Рік тому
@@cronner 11/11 sale from AliExpress + some loyalty discounts. You can do about $150-180 right now. Then you need to put your own memory and storage in. A little too much in my opinion, but that depends on you. It runs at 10.8W idle with 16gb of RAM and an sn750 which isn't optimal but better than the 30W my ancient router from 2007 used. That thing cost $200 back then with 6 gigabit ports so about ~$300 today.
@cronner Рік тому
@@LiveType ok thanks for the answer, gonna look for some sales can only find em for 200€+, maybe even look for a 1135g7 or 1165g7, but iv'e heard people having problems with intel i225
@marcello4258 Рік тому
though they have many ports compared to a hardware firewall there is not a switching asic backplane hence i wouldn't use it for switching internal traffic.. so using a switch behind is needed
@thisisreallyme3130 Рік тому
explain? Do you mean that slamming all ports will overload it?
@malakudi Рік тому
I got the "good" case with Core i5-1135G7 and six I226V and works just fine, but I have very high temperatures on my NVME. I used a Hynix 1TB PCI-E 3.0 NVME, removed from a Lenovo laptop, and temps at idle are around 73-74C, which I think it is quite high. What temps should I expect if I switch to a WD SN570 1TB?
@bobwong8268 Рік тому
👍👍👍👍👍Thank You Patrick! Was waiting eagerly for your review on this. I hv the heavier i7 version from Topton a few weeks ago; this babe runs really hot! Hv 2280 nvme ssd & a 2.5in sata ssd in it; wonder if i can still squeeze a fan into it. I virtualised pfsense in a proxmox VM. Reserved port1 as Mgt; passthru Port2 (WAN) and Port3 (LAN & VMs). Thus, 3 ports in 3 difference subnets. I connect the WAN port to ISP, LAN port to original home WIFI router. The mgt port to my switch port. Everything is working fine ie: from my laptop I can administer both proxmox & pfsense from my laptop but realise later that my proxmox cannot reach the internet, so cannot update or install new s/w. Wonder how could I get the mgt port to route traffic to thru pfsense to reach the internet. Once again, thx!😊
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Try making the NIC an e1000 nic in Proxmox if it is a virtualized NIC to pfSense. If it is a pass-through device that should not happen. Which chassis Topton is that? Both of these are "Topton"
@bobwong8268 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo 👍👍👍👍👍Thanks for the speedy reply! The better heavier one: with loopholes on both sides. I only tested it by touch. The Mgt port is NOT shared or Pass-thru to the pfsense VM; only the WAN & 1 LAN ports were pass-thru. Should I also pass-thru that proxmox "mgt" port to pfsense? Thx again😊
@ptessier73 Рік тому
How hot does it get? Not sure I should go with a box like that or build my own 2U chassis.
@bobwong8268 Рік тому
@@ptessier73 My place is abt 30+/-4°C year around. Hotter btw Mar-Sep & cooler btw Oct-Feb. Was not able to run s/w test yet. Currently the include power adapter is broken. Will test it once I hv a pocket of time.
@bobwong8268 Рік тому
@@ptessier73 If I have more real-estate, would go the rack & mount option...
@BillPaulmenn Рік тому
What if I want to use it as a switch to connect 4 servers Over kill? Or for the price go 10gig?
@curtisfarley3697 Рік тому
What is the power adapter replacement folks are getting? Meanwell ? Making sure I understood him correctly.
@TheKuptis Рік тому
Yes.
@SmartLifeEnthusiast Рік тому
So which of these miniPCs would you at this moment recommend for a prosumer/SoHo? With PfSense as OS or Proxmox with virtualised PfSense? Or would you still just go for e.g. Netgate 4100?
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
I like the 6-port N5105 version of the N6005 we had here. Also the N5105 version new Gen4 4-port with the i226's. That video is coming. The N5105 is easier on cooling. There are new J-series i226 versions that look interesting, but ours have not arrived yet.
@bernabernaber Рік тому
thank you so much for tNice tutorials video sir!
@Phil-D83 Рік тому
Is there a n5105 quad 2.5g nic with better cooling?
@Tekgnome. Рік тому
I'm guessing you have the new J6413 i226 6 port box on order? I placed an order for one last week and for $231 it seems like a pretty good deal.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Yes. Still waiting for them.
@Tekgnome. Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Looks like the delayed shipping isn't just me then. It's probably both a stock issue since these systems only just hit AliExpress, and the backup of items from their 4 day moon festival. If you haven't yet you should consider checking out their S500+ mini PC. I bought a barbones 5825u system for use as an ultra low power virtual machine server. With 8c/16t, sata, two nvme drives, and 2.5g networking it should be a good fit for Proxmox.
@ashwinkantharaj1193 Рік тому
I placed an order for the same on Amazon for $215 sold by KingNovyPC.
@esmannr Рік тому
You pulled a Linus.
@JavierPerez-fq2fi Рік тому
Do all these ali express units have any way to update the bios (for security reasons of course)? or you need to rely on the ali express vendor to update them? I mean, is there any trusted website to download updated versions?
@alexatkin Рік тому
Not that I'm aware of, but for a firewall its probably not a big deal as the security issues are usually things related to nefarious users on a VM able to snoop on other VMs. So long as everything you are running is trusted and cannot be modified externally, it shouldn't be an issue.
@YKSGuy Рік тому
@@alexatkin CPU flaws are a problem and generally released as microcode updates released by motherboard BIOS Updates.
@alexatkin Рік тому
@@YKSGuy AFAIK its a two-pronged approach. Some flaws can be fixed in microcode, but some need to be done in the OS or software itself. For a firewall/router though, its not usually an issue as the flaws tend to need rogue software running to exploit them. If someone is running rogue software on your firewall, you're already in trouble as they've probably gained root access already.
@at906 Рік тому
How do you actually use for your home? You conventionally use 1 port for WAN and 1 for LAN?
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Many use another port for a DMZ or another network, and a third port for WLAN, and so forth. Some folks are using these with 1 port for Proxmox management, 1 for pfSense/ OPNsense management, 1 for WAN, 1 for Proxmox VM LAN, 1 for LAN, and so forth. It is easy to consume ports especially if you virtualize.
@zappatx Рік тому
Not being an IT person this is a little confusing. I'm looking to replace my Zyxel unit. I run a couple IPsec VPNs and needs to be a firewall router. That unit is not reliable. These I see have no brand name but if I understand correctly PFsense is the software these all use? And what is the best deal if I'm doing very basic routing fore business? I'd like at least three lan ports..
@PlexingtonSteel Рік тому
Does someone know if it is possible to access the BIOS / pre boot environment via the serial port?
@highgrade81 Рік тому
Could we get the url we’re we could purchase units
@alexbaronov4736 Рік тому
Is it viable to use one of these with openWRT, without an additional switch (2.5Gbe is expensive), and add wifi to it in lieu of using an old router? I paid for a 4-port N6005 one but am now contemplating canceling if I can and going for a 6-port i226 version, especially if the N6005 can overheat in a small chassis.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
I think you still want a switch. We have a cheap 2.5GbE switch review series (12+ units) that will go live later in Feb.
@aagm. Рік тому
Probably sticking to n5105 + i226 but can't find any reviews on the latter, scarred from i225 v2, fighting the excitement. Also seeing complaints about i226 topton boxes overheating edit: have a long shot question, hope someone can answer: one box im looking at shows the ff: "Support two storage: 1xM.2 NVMe/PCIe3.0x1 2280 SSD+1x2.5''SATA SSD/HDD" and another "-Support two storage: 1xM.2 NVMe/PCIe3.0x2 2280 SSD+1x2.5''SATA SSD/HDD." is the "PCIe3.0 x2" a typo or is that indicating more lanes for nvmes and therefore better performance?
@thisisreallyme3130 Рік тому
I'd lead with your question, discard everything else. Almost missed it myself.
@rv112xy Рік тому
Got the 1165G7 "good" model. Am running it with pfSense and active powerd. CPU clocks down to 400 MHz idle but voltage doesn't seem so. Power consumption stays the same. Running "sysctl dev.cpu | grep cx" I see that it stays in C1 power saving mode. Any idea?
@PatipanWongkleaw Рік тому
I have a ton of problems trying to use a sim card on this. I tried the EC25 lte module to no avail. I'm waiting for ME909s to arrive. Has anyone had any luck with any module?
@daslolo Рік тому
thermal throttle on the bad unit could have been caused by how thermal paste was applied.
@TCGView Рік тому
8:09 for the HOLY SHIT moment.
@roychua2855 Рік тому
If my ISP modem supply two 1Gbps WAN. Can these run combine WAN speed to output 2Gbps LAN speed?
@daygeckoarthawaii1360 Рік тому
Can you run Windows 10 and Blue Iris on these for security cameras and plug the cameras into the ethernet ports?
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
That is a cool idea.
@DefiCryPtiK Рік тому
Blueiris requires real processing power so no
@miles267 Рік тому
BI also benefits from GPU hardware
@Benzin0 Рік тому
What do you think of the same kind of box but with the Intel J6413 instead? It looks similar to the N5105 except it has a lot less cache, I wonder how it affects performance...
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Our J6413 unit is still with DHL. We will have a review once it arrives
@Benzin0 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo awesome, thanks for the reply!
@GarethPW Рік тому
Shame about the I225. To my knowledge they gave up on fixing those in software in favour of the I226.
@daslolo Рік тому
what's the problem with them?
@kwinzman Рік тому
ECC memory support?
@Isweir Рік тому
Is it cook? Do you smell motherboard burning?
@damnnamethieves Рік тому
I'm curious why you chose to use 2 of the i7-1165G7 units rather than 1 of the i7-1165g7 units and 1 of the various i5-1135g7 units out there?
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Sure - so the i7-1165G7 (the smaller not good one) was purchased in June. We went with the Core i7 because it was the fastest. Then we got it, and the new version came out, so we got the new i7 to see if the thermal challenges were fixed. You are right, the Core i5 looks interesting too.
@damnnamethieves Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo It does, and if you're willing to do the 4 port version they're fairly attractively priced as well IMO. I'm personally looking at a 4 port i5 version barebones (because I know I can find RAM cheaper than the upcharge for having them put RAM in it, and pretty much the same with SSD). 4 ports should be sufficient I think for most home users, even homelab people - 1 for WAN, 1 for Main/Prod LAN, 1 for test/lab, and 1 could be split out into 2 VLANs and sub-interfaces to service both an IoT subnet and a guest subnet; those 2 should be low enough traffic generally speaking that sharing one physical interface shouldn't present any great challenge. I wonder what the VPN throughput would be like on one of the i5 boxes, particularly wireguard throughput
@fhgnius Рік тому
What is the maximum amount of memory the i7s take compared to the N5xxx or N6xxx series? The documentation says 16gb for the Celerons, but for an all-in-one virtualization and firewall device I often think 32gb is a better option. Thanks.
@bobwong8268 Рік тому
I hv the heavier i7 topton version. I have 64Gb (32x2) RAM in it.
@christopherjackson2157 Рік тому
That Western digital drive is a good fit for this use case. I've installed tons of them and never had any complaints. Versus some of the other cheap(ish) brands.
@Valvoa2 Рік тому
8:10 Did Patrick just pull off Linus?
@5amba Рік тому
noob question: can you run 5 of the ports like a switch? so basically like any other basic router? 1 wan 5 lan and each device can see each other OPNSense is preferred
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
You *could* do it but then you are pushing all of the traffic over the CPUs and through the entire networking stack. Probably the wrong way do do this. We have reviewed 8-port 2.5GbE PoE switches that are $121 + shipping ukposts.info/have/v-deo/ZWGbqGyMaH-IonU.html
@5amba Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo The idea is to have one box as a replacement for my ISP's router. Which runs OPNSense, Wireguard and Pi-hole. Ideally without a separate switch, because of the higher cost and power consumption.
@5amba Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Will that work? Good or bad idea? Tell me your opinion. Input is very welcome 😉
@ronaldmelendez1834 Рік тому
anyone can tell me how to enable passthrough for proxmox ? i only see Intel VT-d (enabled) in the bios and getting IOMMU errors when trying to passthrough a ethernet port
@theoriginal0897 Рік тому
Why would some one need 6 2.5GbE ports? Bridging would be terrible i assume.
@katherinesilens2994 Рік тому
Is there a 10G version coming?
@concinnus Рік тому
10G would more than double the cost and heat. And I doubt these CPUs even support it; you'd probably have to upgrade to a C3xxx series box to even get 2x 10G ports (those CPUs aren't that expensive, but the machines are -- they're enterprise equipment).
@draconightwalker4964 Рік тому
8:09 Linus Entered the building.
@jimyehoo Рік тому
all of these has overheating issues, and unstable NVME connection, and all that i225 issues... I gave up on them for now, maybe until next gen design comes out.
@jackytan43 Рік тому
Any 6 port 1GbE product ? I need 6 port or 8 port ( Intel LAN ) for my pfsense , any suggestion ?
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
The Intel i225/i226's are only a small cost increase over the i210's so I would probably just get one of these and run them at 1GbE speeds. If you get 2.5GbE later, then you already have the NICs
@jackytan43 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Sorry , my fault . I mean , i need a low-watt firewall box with 6 or 8 port intel NIC ( embedded ). I want to buy the firewall box .
@Justin-hm4xu Рік тому
i want to do a pfsence router setup. But i want to do it on a budget is there any way i can use a think centers or any small pc that had 2 gigerbit 2.5 ethernet or can i use a m2 to pci-e adapter to a old intel nuc and add a 2 port network card to that? i know the price of one of these intel 6005 arnt bad but im sure i could make something cheaper. anyone know what m.2 is rated for and what 2.5gb nics needs like pcie 2-3?
@goldenshellback2811 Рік тому
Does anyone know if the Intel S1503L54 SLMNG are B3 stepping?
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Looks like it www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/184676/intel-ethernet-controller-i225v/ordering.html
@goldenshellback2811 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thank you
@bakakafka4428 Рік тому
Topton also has one with a Celeron J6412 or J6413. Are these much lower performance vs the Pentium 6005? Because they're almost a 100 cheaper.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Ordered the J6413 last week
@bakakafka4428 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Neat, looking forward to it!
@corypechon Рік тому
I bought 3x of the topton units after your last video and they are NOT STABLE for virtualization
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
There is a big thread in the forums (linked in description). The quality on these is not consistent. Some people have gotten systems where there is no contact between the CPU and the chassis. May be worth checking that thread. Just to give you some context, between Rohit who does the main site reviews of these, and I, we have about 16 of these 4-port and 6-port units running Proxmox.
@corypechon Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yea I was looking at that thread. People were suggesting that a kernel upgrade was necessary. I really wanted to run a 3 node Ceph cluster on Proxmox with an OVS vswitch with RSTP setup cabled in a ring topology for the Ceph cluster network. I can get it up and running but all 3 nodes will crash randomly. They completely lock up. No crash dump or logs to help troubleshoot.
@SrSilverstars Рік тому
07:08 this is where you mention the brand for the first time
@kristine4167 Рік тому
how do these run with f.ex esxi on them ?
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Will did an article with the last Core i7 ones we did a video on and ESXi www.servethehome.com/topton-fanless-intel-core-i7-1165g7-box-running-vmware-esxi-veeam-and-pfsense/
@doogle4144 Рік тому
Been getting some Linus drop tips? 😄
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
He taught me when we did the Jellyfish fryer video
@SB-qm5wg Рік тому
Where are all the 2.5ghz switches?
@RobertHancock1 Рік тому
Noticed the rather sketchy lack of any North American safety approvals (UL, CSA, etc.) on the included power adapters. That would be another reason to go with a better quality one.
@thisisreallyme3130 Рік тому
+1. Not to sound alarmist, but using a non-UL (non-ETL etc) power supply puts people's lives at risk, and your Insurance company will deny claims.
@danilomatias19 Рік тому
I need subtitles please!
@samiraperi467 Рік тому
It already has those. Not perfect but very understandable.
@danilomatias19 Рік тому
Thank you for subtitles!
@ahmedelassal Рік тому
8:10 "Yep!... That's A "LinusBite" please seek help !
@pcislocked Рік тому
title says 3x im confused
@AntonioHenrike Рік тому
0:56 Frozen video
@cleanmdia Рік тому
I watched tNice tutorials video and now I'm doing quarantine vids with Richard D. Jas and doing a lot of cocaine.
@david_sanchez Рік тому
The i225 is notoriously a really bad NIC chipset. This video is old enough where it probably doesn’t matter anymore but it’s interesting that it was never mentioned.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Just to give you some sense, and I know there are folks with i225-V issues on gaming platforms. We have the B3 i225-V's running on about 30 of these systems each with 4-6 NICs running 24x7 for 6+ months trying to get the same blips the gaming folks see. It is pretty hard for us to say that it is an issue here if we have over 100 NICs running for 6+ months.
@Burnman83 Рік тому
If those devices are aimed to be routers/firewalls, I don't get why they do not broadly feature CPUs with QuickAssist onboard. I mean I do get it, you might be picky at the shelf and it might make the package a bit more expensive, but I still see it as more relevant than QuickSync for networking. I know I know, good old Plex, but to be fairly honest, the form factor we are looking at here would not be the preferred one for me for a server or virtual host anyway. Don't know about others, though.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Turns out it is a lot more expensive for most QAT + big core options.
@cernejr Рік тому
Give me a fan, please. Preferably a large slow-moving fan. If the fan never needs to turn on, so be it. I hate these fanless machines, all of them. IMO they only possibly make sense in very dusty rooms.
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