New Fanless 4x 2.5GbE Virtualization and Firewall Appliances
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День томуWe take a look at two new fanless 4x 2.5GbE systems with the Intel Celeron N5105 and i225-V and i226-V NICs and see how this new generation fares. We tried these systems with Proxmox VE for virtualization (Will looked at one with VMware ESXi linked below), pfSense, and OPNsense and found a few differences with this design. These have become popular router, firewall, and virtualization nodes, so we are doing a combined review of the two AliExpress units.
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AliExpress Topton stores.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction
01:05 Pricing, AliExpress, and what NOT to do
03:02 External Hardware Overview
05:15 Internal Hardware Overview
11:07 Performance
12:30 Improved Power Consumption
15:25 Key Lessons Learned wit hProxmox VE, pfSense, and OPNsense
18:07 Intel J6413 Units Next and Wrap-up
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- 4x 2.5GbE J4125 Unit (Topton): • Physical or Virtual? A...
- 4x 2.5GbE J4125 Unit (Hnsun): • 4x 2.5GbE Intel J4125 ...
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Here are the threads mentioned on the early units STH readers got. (Bitly to the STH forum resource since apparently, YT does not like the URL)
- Main N6005 Thread: bit.ly/3OxmYf9
- More discussion on the forums: bit.ly/3a2ayN4
@tonicipriani Рік тому
For those looking to run Proxmox on these boxes, there is a well-documented issue with the out of the box 5.15 kernel with these SoCs, you need to enable the 5.19 kernel for it to not crash the VMs every few days.
@mackado Рік тому
I might have to kiss you. I've been having this exact thing happen every 2 weeks or so
@xxmrec Рік тому
5.19 kernel comes to EOL, you need 6.0 kernel
@denj15 Рік тому
Came here to see if anyone else mentioned this. I got one of these boxes to run proxmox and have had this issue as well. My pfSense VM is pretty stable but the Ubuntu VM crashes anywhere from 1-2 days tops. I found keeping the box cool helps (bought a usb fan to set on top). Hoping a fix is out soon
@fredrikmardenfalkhoppe494 Рік тому
How is the performance with virtualization on these boxes? Isnt the cpu a bit poor for running more than bare metal firewall appliance?
@mackado Рік тому
@@fredrikmardenfalkhoppe494 I am running opnsense in a VM and a few lxc containers for managing my wifi APs and AdGuard and other than when they first spin up I'm never more than 10-12% cpu usage.
@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt Рік тому
Perfect timing i have been shopping these types of units. I am in need of a new router and these look super fun to play with.
@JedReynoldsBitratchet Рік тому
I've taken IR photos of some similar embedded motherboards and the NIC chips can contribute a lot of heat. Also, I've seen some where the MOSFET are run unevenly and some are much hotter than others (presumably ones dedicated to the CPU)
@LucianOnBreak Рік тому
Thank you for providing wisdom to all of us! In a couple of days I will receive the N5105 box with intel i226-V. Can't wait for the new toy 😀
@maxxsee 8 місяців тому
you'll find the real wisdom in bible
@namyun2743 Рік тому
Hey Patrick, I've noticed that the Jasper Lake platforms may have a variable memory speed mechanic. One of the machines sitting on my desk for testing had that. I could see in CPUID, in windows, the memory would be at 2133mhz and then go up to 2933mhz and come back down to 2133.
@henderstech Рік тому
Wish I had one of these. I really like this idea for firewall.
@blackmennewstyle Рік тому
It would have been interesting if they could consider a 1U rack mount for all these sweet units, just like Netgate is doing with its PFsense lineup...
@_arhoj Рік тому
Deployed an N5105/i226 as my main home router and it’s been superb. Repasted thermal compound as soon as I got it, and as a result it usually hovers around 48°C running OPNsense bare metal. Great little machines for the money.
@unpass Рік тому
Did you opt for pfSense on it? And if so, any issues?
@_arhoj Рік тому
@@unpass I went with OPNsense with no problems whatsoever. I wasn’t keen on the UI of pfSense. Also the controversy surrounding pf left a bad taste and slow turn around on implementing new features/hardware like the i226 chip meant I wasn’t left with much choice anyway.
@unpass Рік тому
@@_arhoj Whoops, looks like I can't read. Thanks for the info!
@LudvigLindell Рік тому
Would love to see some openwrt testing on these as well, preferably virtualized in proxmox
@foureight84 Рік тому
It's incredible how fast these things are iterated. It would be amazing if they started experimenting with last gen Xeon-D and Atom C3000 and C5000. I wouldn't use any of these in production but perfect for the homelab. EDIT: They have a mini-itx board with an atom c3558 with 2 10GB SPF+. You can find it by searching for 'ATOM C3558'.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
I totally agree.
@foureight84 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I hope the manufacturers watch these videos and read the comments because I would love a mini-itx NAS oriented Atom C3000 board with dual 2.5 and 10gbe.
@kwinzman Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo The two 2 10GB SPF+ version sounds really cool.
@concinnus Рік тому
Where are you seeing this? Nothing is coming up on AliExpress. Of course, SuperMicro makes something similar, but it's $600.
@foureight84 Рік тому
@@concinnus Yea I can't seem to be able to reply without getting moderrated by youtube. I'll make a post on the forums
@CarAudioInc Рік тому
Thanks so much for your content, as a homelab n00b it's been very helping in selecting nodes. Anyway, I just noticed a bias that I apparently have, because I don't see a brand name I'm like "I dunno!!!" lol meanwhile a lot of these brands probably have very similar component suppliers.
@Tortelli-NL Рік тому
Would be interesting to see PPPoE performance of these units. My ISP is using PPPoE which is pretty CPU heavy at 1Gbit. Seems like pfsense is doing this single treaded as far as i can workout.
@joemelnick Рік тому
Congratulations on reaching 100K subs.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Thank you Joseph
@pbrigham Рік тому
Just love this things, simple the best appliances right now for Pfsense home use.
@JasonsLabVideos Рік тому
Opnsense :)
@stevecruztube Рік тому
Patrick, I bet this series has increase sales of these mini pcs greatly. I hope Topton is giving you a commission. (I've got two).
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Sadly no. We have resorted to using the UKposts Membership revenue to help pay for these. I just find them interesting
@thedamnone Рік тому
TF(TransFlash) is exactly the same as microSD, but Chinese companies don't want to pay royalties to SD Association, so they use the older name. TF was developed by Sandisk and then the standard was adopted as microSD, by the SD Card Association.
@lotrouter Рік тому
I got one of these new i226-V N5105 versions with my last order, and Patrick failed to mention a few additional significant upgrades. Otherwise, thanks for doing these reviews, these are excellent home FW units. * First off, mine came pre-installed with an NVMe mezzanine card plugged into the "Wi-Fi" slot that allows two NVMe M2 hard drives to be installed (in place of using one for Wi-Fi). On the ordering page it indicates the expansion MVMe card is an additional $15 (don't know why they just threw it in, probably one of their first orders I suppose). * Second, the unit now supports TPM 2.0, so Windows 11 runs fine on it. I also installed an Intel Wi-Fi 6 adapter and Windows 11 and it works well. I purchased a second unit as a backup (worried about time to replace from China) and wanted to use it as a Windows PC when not needed because I've had no issues with my first unit running OPNsense. The older units will NOT run Windows 11.
@lordhighbinary2006 Рік тому
Honestly the only thing this needs is more storage, preferably some stackable chassis that matches the same W x L dimensions. Bonus points for an extension that can screw into the bottom of these.
@JasonsLabVideos Рік тому
I NEED this ! Good video !!
@labcdel4384 Рік тому
Hello patrick, as someone who's looking to upgrade the main router for the homelab. Would you recommend getting one of these units paired with a 2.5gigabit switch. Otherwise i was considering to just grab maybe the 4 port version or 6port (if they have it), then pair it with my existing gigabit switches.
@-Good4Y0u Рік тому
It's amazing how far we've come with these fanless units. Next big step is affordable 10gig
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
We will have a review of that hopefully this month
@-Good4Y0u Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo " the future is now "
@zhenmingyu6186 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo please review the R86s units with 2 10GbE sfp+ and N5105. Those look very interesting!
@dsldsl999 Рік тому
Thanks for the useful review! I have ordered a N5105 i226V unit. Any idea how much space is in between the WiFi M2 and the M2 SSD? I am thinking of adding SSD heatsink and not sure if it has enough clearance.
@jfkastner Рік тому
Interesting, thank you!
@AniviaS Рік тому
Would love to see you take a look at the NanoPi R6S. It looks like a great low power Pfsense machine for applications that don't require too much performance. Has 2 2.5gbe ports, and one gigabit port
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
With a case and shipping, those get very close to what these cost if you buy a barebones and add your own RAM/ storage. It is hard to lose versatility for $15-30 or something like that.
@AniviaS Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo fair enough, I was mainly looking at this from a power savings perspective, since it doesn't use x86
@sergiurotari Рік тому
nano pies are on ARM, so i think pfsense doesnt work. maybe im wrong, cheers
@RickJohnson Рік тому
TF is for TransFlash which is another older name for a MicroSD card used more commonly when SanDisk introduced the format in 2004.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
True, you only see TF on Chinese market boxes these days instead of MicroSD labeling.
@L_T_Z Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yeah, the TF moniker kind of stuck around ever since those not-so-smart phones exploded in popularity at around that era. Most of the Chinese who was first introduced to this technology still call it by Sandisk's trademark, kind of like how markers are commonly referred to as sharpies over in the states.
@SmartLifeEnthusiast Рік тому
Looks like VESA mount is an upsell now. There's a link for the mount in the product's subscription.
@adibbins Рік тому
I'm guessing using the Liteon PSU's means an easy switch to different country mains plugs, by providing the country specific lead, while the brick that includes the country specific plugs, means a completely different brick, may be that's a good thing.
@allhandsonberk Рік тому
Patrick, can you make an up-to-date comparison for the low-power CPU performance? Especially units used in firewall or edge server systems, Like Xeon-D and Atoms. I've got an old Xeon D-1518 system as the firewall, and I'm trying to plan out the upgrade time scale between CPU performance and things like port speed. Many of us are transitioning from 1G networks to 2.5/10G networks, and knowing how CPUs scale at to meet traffic (and how things like VPNs or IDS can drop performance) would be a huge win.
@SOF006 6 місяців тому
Got the i225-v version with the N5105 CPU on order from AliExpress, looking forward to setting up PfSense on it. Maybe even an alternative depending on which one I like more.
@cLoWnS4eVeRyBoDy Рік тому
Can you make a video on the best laptops for running VMs on 2022. I am looking into buying either M16 or the SCAR 15 from Asus... the GS66(2022) and GS77 from MSI look pretty good.
@geepriest Рік тому
I'm curious, what temp readings did you get externally on these devices?
@NeoLazarusNinja Рік тому
I'm looking to build my first FreeNAS / NextCloud server at home and wonder if i can use this hardware? The idea is to use it to store pictures, medias and maybe home surveillant.
@amb7247 Рік тому
I just read the developer version of 2.70 latest snapshot build now has support for l226v. Seems all I can find on AE now is NIC with i226-V. I'm planning to do this and watch & educate myself on setup and etc. Only thing left is the wifi part which I'll add using the Ubiquiti Unifi U6 long range. I know it tops out oat 3000Mbits but i feel that should be good for while. All this, I'lll be replacing an almost 7 year old ASUS WRT-AC3200 router thyat just isn't keeping up and likes to reboot so I think this is step up and willl allow me to enjoy the most out of my fiber Gbit internet.
@lifebarier Рік тому
Where are links to buy them? Description seems to be missing links. Also, how well it will run suricata?
@larsv4651 Рік тому
In your description above the link to where to by the units, is missing?
@djbartles7337 Рік тому
Where are the links to the units you tested in this video? Would be interested in checking those out.
@Arcao Рік тому
FYI i226 works without any problem on 22.05 version of pfSense Plus. I read the i226 should be V4 of i225.
@DarrylMcGee Рік тому
Thanks for this comment. I installed the 2.7.0 CE development snapshot for i226 support. Its working fine, but how do you install 22.05 without installing 22.01 first? I don't know why when selecting the pfSense Plus Upgrade branch it only shows 22.01 and not 22.05 as the version to install. This makes things complicated since I'd lose network access with 22.01 (which doesn't have i226 support). I have an old USB Ethernet adapter I was going to try as a way to get Internet for the migration to Plus unless there's a way to skip to 22.05.
@markinblue Рік тому
Are the links to the AliExpress Topton stores missing above?
@killmas Рік тому
Do these have the same IPv6 problems that the other Intel NICs have?
@zhenmingyu6186 Рік тому
please review the R86s units with 2 10GbE sfp+ and N5105. Those look very interesting!
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Yes. It is on the shelf behind me in this video.
@vontarx4026 Рік тому
Seems like model with WiFi slot has got just one NVME PCI lane and limited performance as a result. Is it true? What are NVME read/write speeds on both models?
@TwstedTV Рік тому
Can these be used for home hardcore net security from the outside world?
@auronarcher Рік тому
Can you please grab one of the 4G modules on these things and test to see if it actuall works with failover on pfsense etc? That would be amazing They advertise them as add-ons but I am a little wary of it. I would love an all in one box though could deploy it to the grandparents place and the in-laws place for remote support even if their local internet dies.
@FueledbyJohn Рік тому
I'm considering this as an option they are small and compact. Happy with a dell SFF unit with adapters for the moment. 🙂
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Not sure if we will do a video on this, or just a main site article, but we have a 4x 2.5GbE adapter for the 1L Lenovo Tiny's now
@FueledbyJohn Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo That would be interesting to see, how you've set it up / configured. 🙂 I've got 2 x 2.5gbe adapters at the moment with this unit It has two additional 1gbe ports I don't know whether I'd get away with adding two 2.5gbe adapters to the front ports or see any benefit what with bandwidth limitations its got a 1tb ssd, 32gb ram and 4c/8t / i7- 4790. If all else it wouldn't be expensive to get a slightly newer, cheap sff and move the adapters, ram and storage across.
@ivanixdevon7526 Рік тому
may i ask what cpu you have on the dell?
@FueledbyJohn Рік тому
@@ivanixdevon7526 4th gen intel i7 4790 non k I could possibly move over to a newer 8th gen > 1l micro unit optiplex 7070/90. Benefit would be smaller, lower tdp, Nvme, DDR4, better usb bandwidth for 5gbe adapters. 🙂
@fabioabe6418 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo waiting to read something about it, I have a Lenovo P340 tiny, does this adapter you talk about will be compatible?
@theoneyoudontsee8315 Рік тому
its really cool that if you want to upgrade with a samsung 970 evo nvme ssd crucial dual channel 2666 kit with tight timings and a intel wifi 6e card it wont be totally stupid because the 40mm fan mount.
@_layer8 2 місяці тому
Can anybody help out with what type of fan connector sits on the board? I want to install a fan in the unit as it gets too warm with esx running couple of vms...
@austinwilson930 Рік тому
I just picked up the N5105 i226 unit with no RAM or SSD on Amazon for $200 and Prime 2day shipping. I'm going to install 8GB RAM and a 256GB SSD.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Awesome!
@jammetortiz808 Рік тому
Will you try OpenWrt the next time to review these things?
@YKSGuy Рік тому
I would really like something with SFP+ AND 2.5Gbit not that I am expecting higher than 2.5Gbit throughput but that some ISPs provide a SPF+ option for terminating fibre which eliminates other ISP gear now.. Basically fibre right to the home router. It is also much nicer for trunking to a 2.5Gbit switch.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Totally have that system and it will be reviewed this month hopefully
@occamsrazor000 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Which model has SFP+? Thanks
@JeramiFrost Рік тому
@@occamsrazor000 I’m curious too as I’m really needing something like this.
@mark_5588 Рік тому
Since these are 12v can they operate directly off of a 12v battery that cycles between 10v to 14.4v (typical)? Also, how long do you think that it will be before versions with 1/2.5/5/10Gbps NICs become available?
@foureight84 Рік тому
If you search for 'atom c3558' there's a mini itx offering with 2 10gbe sfp+. They also have a variant with an atom c3578 (8 cores).
@carlos19989 Рік тому
Thank you for the review. Waiting for the j6413 review. I will buy one of both (n or more expensive j) . Also I am thinking of getting fe i3 1115g4 that has similar price of the j6413.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
I still like the N5105 over the J6413
@bigup7777 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo any reason why? the J6413 is about 20GBP more and you get 2 extra 2.5Gb Ports. surely a no brainer?
@xgod978 Рік тому
Hi Patrick, I'm planning to run a pfsense, pihole, and possibly a steam cache server on proxmox in these topton boxes. Does the N5105 is capable enough to do that? or should I just run pfsense bare metal in these box and get a small PC like Intel NUC for pihole and steam cache? Thanks!
@denj15 Рік тому
Its plenty capable of it with a huge caveat. There's a major bug with proxmox and these N5105 boxes where linux VMs will crash constantly. I have one running proxmox with a pfSense firewall and Ubuntu VM for various containers. The pfSense box is stable but the Ubuntu VM is always crashing. Look up proxmox N5105 and you'll see various forum posts covering it.
@SilverFoxGPC Рік тому
When are you gonna release the video with the j6413 devices? Trying to decide if I should go with the N5105 or if the lower base frequency of the j6413 might give me a significant idle power advantage.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Today or tomorrow. The video has been uploaded since before Christmas but Bryan (#2) just finished the main site article.
@SilverFoxGPC Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo great, thank you! Looking forward to it. 🙂
@xNeFShARkx Рік тому
You mixed the versioning :) The V3 is actually the one using the i225 and the v4 uses the i226! Also CWWK already confirmed a V5 of these n5105 systems that will be released now in November. All of these systems displayed on this video are manufactured by CWWK, topton is just just a middle man seller.
@kwinzman Рік тому
"The V3 is actually the one using the i225 and the v4 uses the i226". Isn't that what the video said?
@richwg6633 Рік тому
Does CWWK provide regular bios updates for their boards?
@cassiohui Рік тому
TF = TransFlash, old marketing name from Sandisk and Motorola. SD Association adopted TF and named it microSD. If I remember correctly.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Typically we see TF on Chinese machines these days
@redtails Рік тому
I'm really interested to learn whether the n5105 is also available in sort of a NAS enclosure with 3-5 sata ports and nvme. Would be way faster than the ancient AMD opterons that are inside the hpe microserver
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Actually, that motherboard JUST arrived like 20 minutes ago.
@redtails Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thanks, I'll look forward to seeing your video 👍🏻
@kwinzman Рік тому
Not gonna make a NAS enclosure without ECC memory.
@Phil-D83 Рік тому
Post links to each plz? Also, one of these with a pcie 16x slot on a riser would be nice. (For adding a 10gbe card)
@nekrosoft13 Рік тому
You can do that now... Almost... Not 16x bandwidth, but close M.2 to pcie 3 x4 to riser and you can have a 10gbe card. Run the os from sata port. Custom case would be needed.
@thisisreallyme3130 Рік тому
@@nekrosoft13 Post links to each plz?
@623baller Рік тому
what parts do i need beside antennas to add wifi to the box ? or am i better off just running one of the lan ports to an access point?
@DarrylMcGee Рік тому
Depending on what you are using the system for, access point might be better if you can spare the ethernet port. For a firewall, don't put a wifi NIC in it, its just more configuration work and overhead for the processor. Otherwise, you need a wifi NIC and the antennas.
@petergoodall6258 Рік тому
Your links to mentioned items have not been filled out in your last few videos. Can you fix please. 😉
@RobertHancock1 Рік тому
The other advantage of the Lite-ON power supply: it actually has a UL safety rating.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
I glossed over that in the video, but it was mentioned on Rohit's main site article
@honestgoat Рік тому
Hey Patrick, Now that the Odroid H3/H3+ is available, I was wondering if you were thinking about doing a review. It also has the N5105 boosting up to 3.3Ghz on the H3+. As well as PCIe3.0 and up to 2933Mhz DDR4. With the net card, it can also have 6x 2.5Gb NIC's but with what I think might be a better footprint and better expandability. I am thinking about buying a few, but I would like to see your perspective on them as I trust your opinion more than other reviewers.
@Matlalcueitl Рік тому
There are N6005 with 6x 2.5Gb nics on Aliexpress.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Perhaps. We did the H2+ with the 4x 2.5GbE cards. More focused on Genoa now
@honestgoat Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yeah, Genoa is pretty exciting. I'm actually excited about Intel again too. Its been a while since Intel excited me. No problem, if you get to the H3 it'd be good to hear your thoughts. I'll just go and grab one and report back whether there is enough of a change over the H2 that you might want to do a video on it. Cheers mate.
@JulioRad954 Рік тому
Patrick what were the temperatures at idle? Mine runs in the high 40s low 50s Celsius N5105 4gb ram and 128 gb SSD NVME running OPN sense.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Seems about right (the boxes are torn apart right now.) T junction on these is like 105C since they are built as embedded parts.
@DarrylMcGee Рік тому
I'm getting 41 to 44 deg C but I have a 40mm fan in there, and its 67 deg F here in my basement. 2x16GB RAM and 500GB NVME.
@jonmayer Рік тому
I just snagged the N5105 i226 barebones for $138 after taxes shipped. I think that's a hell of a deal.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Nice!
@MrKmarken Рік тому
What would be a compatible WiFi access point that would work well with these units if they are running PFSense?
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
I have been using the Netgear WAX630's.
@embalmed Рік тому
I'm on month 4 of my order from topdon, hard to get excited about the new thing when it takes forever to get.
@BartHompes Рік тому
Would you recommend something like this as a solution running proxmox with home assistant, pihole, and pfsense? Or better go for a NUC and a separate switch?
@SmartLifeEnthusiast Рік тому
I went for the Beelink Mini S running Debian and it runs my whole Home Assistant setup, PiHole, UniFi Controller, ... via Docker
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
This is probably OK, and is less than most NUCs that are faster.
@denj15 Рік тому
I run one this way and its plenty capable. Word of caution however, there's a major proxmox bug with N5105 boxes where linux VMs will constantly crash. Look up N5105 proxmox and you'll find plenty of info on it.
@BartHompes Рік тому
Thank you for your answers, much appreciated! Looking to set up a box like this with PFSense, Home Assistant, PiHole/Adguard, UniFi controller. Also looking into the J6413-based ones with Intel i226 NICs.
@mrjordiNo1 Рік тому
Is this unit strong enough to run more demanding setups like suricata or pfblockerng?
@lotrouter Рік тому
I tried running Suricata on OPNsense on mine, and I got variable results. I could only get between ~800-1200Gb throughput when in IPS mode. It was kinda random to be honest. I was able to get full speeds with just IDS mode enabled though.
@ptessier73 Рік тому
Nice review.. Would be nice, if you get the chance and money, to look at the Ryzen 5 5600U version of these firewall appliance.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
I think we have one of those Ryzens on order but it is taking forever to ship. It is also not fanless
@ptessier73 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Looking forward to that review! Hopefully the fan is not too noisy.
@afurtadouk Рік тому
Can these units power 3.5" HDD drives using the included sata power connector?
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
It can run one, but they do not fit in the chassis and would create too much heat if they did. Some people run them bare sitting outside the chassis but I do not love that solution
@monotescee Рік тому
are these fanless router "mr. ali" products still come with bad/light/doubtful power supply ?
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Many are now coming with LiteOn power supplies that are much better.
@geepriest Рік тому
Would love to know how those Chinese SSDs and RAM performed
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
RAM is usually OK, quality can be iffy. SSDs are sloooow Silicon Motion drives, but they are also low power and much cooler than when people try putting 980 Pros in these
@Matte_olo Рік тому
Where is the link of AliExpress ?
@michaelamos75 Рік тому
I have a older model, does anyone know how to get pfsense to show video? I always have to reboot with the VGA or HDMI plugged in. Plugging in after power on or on kvm does not work.
@SchoolforHackers Рік тому
Yes: you need a “dummy” hdmi dongle that convinces the OS that hdmi is connected.
@michaelamos75 Рік тому
@@SchoolforHackers you just made my day, I already have some of those for virtualizing to use a Nvidia card for playing VR. I thought I had overlooked a setting in the BIOS or something and just couldn't find the documentation for a aliexpress Frankenstein machine. Thank you so much for the tip.
@RJGamer-zb4lb Рік тому
i'm thinking about buy the N5105 i226 and i was wondering will this ram work with this device? Samsung 4GB DDR4 SODIMM RAM Module 3200MHz 1Rx16 PC4-3200AA 260-Pin SDRAM Laptop Memory M471A5244CB0-CWE (it's on amazon)
@steveburke3 Рік тому
Would you trust one of these to run your home network? Not a lab, your actual home LAN?
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
100% I have a bunch of these that have 3-9 months each and am actually using one for my home LAN right now with Proxmox VE and virtualized pfSense. The newer versions are even more refined.
@crutchleyx Рік тому
I got the exact same LiteOn adaptor with mine and spotted a very obvious typo on the label - which made me think it’s a fake, so I threw it away and bought a legit one. I just paused the video on the adaptor and it has the same typo as mine. It might be real, but I’d be surprised if a company as big as LiteOn would make such an obvious proofing error.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Check our American MegatrAnds video
@mando7558 Рік тому
Would you trust these to be used on a home LAN, I don't mean home labs?
@criostasis Рік тому
No.
@DrOscarZAcosta 11 місяців тому
fucking love this channel. one question: do these things support coreboot? also anyone got wake on lan to work - have it activated in bios but no luck so far.
@DocHogan Рік тому
Why are none of these small 4-port multi-wan capable units available with onboard Wi-Fi? 😢
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
You can add a CNVi WiFi NIC under the M.2 SSD. It is not great placement, but we tried it today and it worked.
@pgee8702 Рік тому
Look at Newegg...the OEM for this product is Hunsn..and you probably find a better pricing there
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
CW is the board OEM. Hunsn is another reseller like Topton or KingNovy.
@BGraves Рік тому
I want a model with at least 1 SFP+ lan port.
@le4fkicker Рік тому
checkout "R86S" N5105 with 10gbps ports
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Yes. That is in the queue. Super interesting. Sadly I was unable to get a blue one but we have a black one. Hopefully we will get the review/ video up this month.
@giovannigommba5938 Рік тому
Question? Someone gave me a 2.5gb switch, a 10G tek 5 port switch. Do i need a PCI card to achieve 2.5 speed. THANK YOU.
@DarrylMcGee Рік тому
Yes, your PC will need a 2.5gbps network adapter. I recently built a new PC and it has 2.5g network adapter built-in. If you have a NAS that does not already have a 2.5g NIC, put one in there too. You might need a NIC with the short bracket for the NAS, check with your NAS vendor for what NIC will work.
@giovannigommba5938 Рік тому
@@DarrylMcGee that's what I thought. Thank you.
@aleckfedorkiw4005 5 місяців тому
Have converted my home to 2.5gb why wifi 6 routers still use 1 gb ports instead of 2.5gb
@TheLadapower Рік тому
Are there devices like these with 2x Sata ports? Would like to build a tiny NAS/Pfsense server.
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
We have a mITX motherboard that just arrived that is more for that use case.
@TheLadapower Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo with loads of ethernet ports, minimum N5105 and at least 2x sata? Intrigued. Is it maybe one of those boards with 6x sata ports from ali express? Hmm.
@SmartLifeEnthusiast Рік тому
As far as I can tell, there's no real difference between the i225-V and the i226-V? So there's no need to pay more for the latter? Their pricing is just at the border of having to pay extra import fees, with the i225 being just under the limit and the i226 just above.
@poggest Рік тому
G'day ya'll! I just purchased one of these (bare kit) and was wondering if anyone had Suggestions for HDD and RAM choice. I've had issues in the past and would rather avoid!
@DarrylMcGee Рік тому
You've probably already got something by now, but here's what I used. For RAM, Crucial CT2K16G4SFRA32A 2x16GB 3200MHz (runs at 2933 by default). For drive, Crucial CT500P3SSD8 P3 500GB NVME. They were both on sale for cyber week, so I got more storage than needed for pfSense, but might be useful for running a hypervisor later.
@wyatt77777 Рік тому
Would you need to buy wifi antennas if you want wifi with this router?
@DarrylMcGee Рік тому
Both antennas and a wifi NIC.
@polariz666 Рік тому
I don't suppose anyone has any tips on installing ESXi 6.x on the N5105 model - it's driving me crazy. If I use a Rufus-made ESXi 6.5 boot stick, I get hanging at a black screen before the installer can start. I then got all creative and used VMWare workstation on a Windows PC, to install ESXI onto the physical NVME disk via a usb caddy. Stick the NVME into the PC and boot it up - blank screen again! BIOS can see there is a UEFI OS to boot from. If I use a Windows based USB installer stick, it boots into the installer no problem. ARRGHHHH
@polariz666 Рік тому
Managed to sort this. The answer was to use ESXi 6.7 onwards, as 6.5 or lower would exhibit this strange behaviour. I had to go for ESXi 8 though as 6.7 didn't support the NIC cards without alot of messing around with ISOs. Hopefully this is useful to somebody.
@AlexSchendel Рік тому
People who still call SD TF for Transflash O.O I've seen a few products calling it that lately. I didn't realize that name still existed haha
@lyianx Рік тому
dangit, i just setup my pfsense on a similar machine a couple months ago, but its only 1 gig Ethernet. Oh well.
@christoffbothma3905 Рік тому
Will the N5105 run unraid with 8 HDDs as a nas?
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
The CPU will, but this is the wrong system for that
@christoffbothma3905 Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thanks, yes ordered a board with this cpu with 6 SATA ports. Was starting to worry the CPU might not have enough horses.
@MarkConstable Рік тому
The single 16 GB ram is so that you don't have to throw away 2x 8 GB chips to be able to upgrade to 32 GB ram. A very sensible marketing choice by Topton.
@tonicipriani Рік тому
Celeron N5000 series officially only supports 16GB though.
@MarkConstable Рік тому
@@tonicipriani You're right. I have a J4125 based QNAP which officially supports only 8 GB ram, but I have it currently running 2x 16 GB chips, and it seems fine. I just presumed the N5000 series would support 32 GB ram these days. So Patrick is right, the single chip would be for less power consumption.
@efimovv Рік тому
@@MarkConstable I have 2x16 running and saw someone in Aliexpress reviews with screenshot of 2x32 Gb. I hear what could depend on speed of module and very fast ones will not start...
@Harometras Рік тому
Hi Patrick they already released a v5. 😆
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
They announced, but not shipped
@efimovv Рік тому
Where you look for announce ?
@danilomatias19 Рік тому
Please we need subtitles!Thank you!
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Usually UKposts auto-generates them. This one we had to re-upload about an hour ago to update the chart coloring!
@danilomatias19 Рік тому
Thanks for subtitles!
@MarkConstable Рік тому
Almost perfect, but I'm waiting for any model that has TWO full size M.2 NVMe slots.
@lotrouter Рік тому
I actually got one of these with my last order, and it came with a mezzanine card that turns the "Wi-Fi" slot into a second full M.2 NVMe slot. On the ordering page it appears they now charge $15 for that adapter.
@MarkConstable Рік тому
@@lotrouter Thanks for the tip. That might be good enough, as I don't need wifi. I just have to check whether they slots are M-key or B-key to have some idea how PCI lanes are available to each slot.
@souk-tv Рік тому
I want a 6 port version of the same spec
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
We looked at three, one and a half were good ukposts.info/have/v-deo/rIp8ZaJwmY51yKc.html
@murderbymodem Рік тому
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I've already ordered the 6x i226-V model with the "12th gen" Celeron J6412 available on Aliexpress. I was weary of the i225-V models as I've heard of issues where they can't hit 2.5Gb, which would defeat the purpose of buying one of these and setting it up. I'll be awaiting your review! Hopefully yours comes in earlier than mine and I can follow in your footsteps lol
@xxmrec Рік тому
R86S have 10G SPF+ x 2, 2.5GbE x 3, keywords:R86S 10G
@platin2148 Рік тому
These Ethernet Pins look very near that metal cooler..
@justahologram2230 Рік тому
Wow, they're still referring to SD cards as trans flash? That's a throwback
@ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому
Very common on Chinese market boxes still.
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