Here we see Steve Jobs introducing the MacBook Air ultra-portable laptop.
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@TommyBNSF12 років тому
2008: This is so stupid, who'd buy a laptop without an optical drive?! 2012: What's an optical drive?
@PyrexFortnite6 років тому
TommyBNSF 2018 Netflix
@deerenzo6 років тому
2016: What are ports?
@jerkmuffin-_-33386 років тому
TommyBNSF 2018 what’s a computer
@firedude1Productions4 роки тому
@Negan 2045 What's a baseball bat?
@kittisrijantanakul29944 роки тому
@@waldodoodoo6793 few years later... What is usb port??
@mojave56616 років тому
I still cannot believe that this video is over a decade old
@dnguyenmis5 років тому
And I can't believe it's not butter
@Jifran5 років тому
funny how the specs look so outdated, in only 10 years, technology is moving so fast
@michal2344864 роки тому
Samuel Michaud but the design is still up to date
@neilloveminecraftРік тому
Apple is a real trend setter this is why Apple is the most valuable company in the world
@mrparalyzed6024Рік тому
I still cannot believe that this comment is over half a decade old
@meerkat00615 років тому
I think Steve's favorite three phrases are "It's really beautiful", "It's really tiny", and "but there's one more thing"
@writtenbetween5 років тому
Isn't it incredible?
@rohmanatasi17714 роки тому
Ikr
@mliao_09074 роки тому
It's phenomenal
@masternobody18964 роки тому
its mind blowing
@thecarelectronicguy6874 роки тому
It’s a screamer!
@angelog41505 років тому
Hard to believe both of them have passed away.
@oscarwaitkus71454 роки тому
Angeelo Gov rip
@JAM_2024Рік тому
15 years later and this still looks great today. Aside from the screen bezels.
@Julien_nonoРік тому
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@itsMett8Рік тому
This notebook was 10 years ahead of it's time. Steve really was an amazing presenter and innovator. The industry and world truly misses him.
@leebeeskee2 роки тому
Watching this on my M1 Air. Amazing how for we've come!
@traintk6595Рік тому
Do macs fart?
@riyanshahid2735 років тому
He always gave reasons for compromising and those were true unlike today
@akshaysoni88482 роки тому
He was a marketing genius! Way more convincing than today’s highly exaggerated graphical presentations.
@daveys4863Рік тому
I really miss Steve. He was such a visionary, and amazing presenter. Apple's technology is astonishing, especially Apple Silicon, but they have undoubtedly lost the soul of the company without Steve. If he were still around I'm certain we wouldn't have camera bumps and notches in all of our iPhones :(
@BurnNotice3210Рік тому
He would have embraced the notch like they have
@rudra.patel.001Рік тому
yeah there is a way not have camera bumps, just make the phone 3 times as thick and instead of notches, why not have an unreliable motorized pop up selfie camera or have an awful under display one that ends up attracted more attention than the notch.
@stricken1666Рік тому
Glad to say they finally got rid of the iPhone notch for a much nicer looking island that can actually resize with functionality
@bawbsmith10 місяців тому
Wtf is this worshipping of a CEO? Not to mention the rewriting of history and some weird parasocial relationship stuff thrown in. Jobs didn’t want the iPhone because he worried it would cut into iPod sales. Jobs didn’t want an App Store, instead relying on web apps. Jobs famously told people they’re holding their phone wrong, then Apple had to send free bumpers to every iPhone 4 owner as a workaround. He wanted screen size to stay at 3.5”, despite the market demanding bigger screens, saying that “no one is going to buy a phone with a big screen” (5.5” at the time). He was stubborn, controlling, and executives had to always work around him and convince him of decisions that made Apple successful in the first place. Do your research, there’s lots of biographies and interviews from people who’ve worked closely with Jobs. Don’t pull random stuff out of your ass and pass them off as facts.
@5sf4bw865 років тому
steve jobs remove things (optical driver) with purposes and solution, tim cook removes things.
@kwwundo33455 років тому
Hahaha true! MacBook Airs are probably the best Laptops ever made! Removing all the ports?! What a joke! Steve Jobs would be ashamed!
@tylertyler825 років тому
2 years after removing all legacy ports in exchange for usb-c and all apple mobile devices *still* come with old USB charging cables.
@Jifran5 років тому
Sadly for you, they just announced the newest macbook air, pretty much the equivalent of this one, your statement is retarded, you can watch a few interviews with Steve Jobs and realize that he knows and talks about you people, people who see him as a symbol, but he wasn't the only one working at apple...
@elliemay17485 років тому
At the time, it was a really big deal. Tons of people wouldn't buy it because it was 1. Too expensive, and 2. Didn't have an optical drive included. People complained that for it's price, it should of come with the optical drive. And the screen was horrifically bad, people complained about that so much. And extremely underpowered, it could barely be used for anything except surfing the web and answering emails. It was seen as an unnecessary luxury.
@hemipemi5 років тому
@@elliemay1748 That's a pretty one sided analysis of the initial reception of the Macbook Air. All of the things you mentioned were concerns for some people, but as this presentation points out, the standard for equivalently compact/light machines at the time was 2x 1.2GHz, and this was 2x1.6 or 1.8. It couldn't concievably have been any more powerful in it's weight class at the time. Have you ever used one for any length of time? My Dad bought one and I borrowed it a few times for browsing. It's a well made machine. Great keyboard, and it's altogether an enjoyable device to use. If you want a mobile office device, you want comfort and accessibility, not horsepower. It provides that. Most of what you've said was the typical 'Apples vs oranges' comparisons, which were generally based around the price tag. I made plenty of arguments like that myself at the time. As a young broke student, if I had $1799 to blow there would be no way in hell I would be putting it towards a Macbook - I had power hungry design work to do and would have rather bought the most GHz and and RAM I could afford with reasonable battery life. Size and weight didn't factor in at all. I'd rather suffer for maximum capability. I understand what you're saying about unnecessary luxury, but whether it's a luxury or not depends a lot on the sort of work that you're doing. A huge amount of the work in the world - the vast majority, actually - done on computers, is just numbers and text. You don't hear about that so much when people talk about computers, because it's not interesting, and it's not controversial. The buzz on the Internet, when people talk about computers, is always about horsepower, FPS, benchmarks, will it run Crysis at full detail, can I edit HD videos, do 3D rendering, etc, because that's what computer hardware enthusiasts talk about. People who aren't computer hardware enthusiasts don't talk about computers very much, but they do use them. Editing HD videos is about the most mainstream of those concerns, but it's still a relatively fringe concern and something most consider a neat addition to their computer's capability, not a core function, and most people in the target market for the MacBook Air also have at least one other more powerful laptop or desktop if they really need to do that.
@richardlee85464 роки тому
I like this style way more than the current advertisement.
@akshatbharadwaj64485 років тому
He just had a way of saying things.
@romcapprotti74774 роки тому
I remember when I first seen that and I was like wow. I know Steve Jobs Demanded a lot from his team but in the end that’s what made Apple so great and that’s what they’re lacking right now. Steve we miss you
@hmourad1910 років тому
It's crazy that the current MacBook Air has 9-12 hours of battery life
@gindullin3 роки тому
Psst, 20 hours now.
@BrightWolfMaster3 роки тому
Jeez this comment is old
@Solunex3 роки тому
Руслан Гиндуллин the air has around 18 doesn't it? I'm pretty sure the pro has over 20 hours of battery life
@kayaeki2 роки тому
damnn look at the m1 chip battery now, crazyyyy
@julioirawan2 роки тому
@@BrightWolfMaster it was 8 years ago 😂
@otamanlvhs11 років тому
I just checked prices of macbook air and its price is starting at $999.It is also more powerful and has even more memory now.Not bad price drop in 4 years since it first came out.
@RazzorrXX4 роки тому
yes it is $999 not bad after 11 years
@MR_Motorsports_4 роки тому
Lmao
@oklik11223 роки тому
@@RazzorrXX ........ So what? It's at same price but better, macbook air was never a cheap laptop, it's an premium ultrabook not an affordable laptop
@one_step_sidewaysРік тому
Not anymore, overpriced craptops here we go
@bawbsmith10 місяців тому
@@one_step_sidewaysLol is this a joke? M1 Air starts at 999, and it’s better than most ultrabooks around the same price point. But nah let’s just throw some bs and see what sticks
4 роки тому
2008:When Intel and Apple were innovative 2019:When Apple launches a stand for a thousand bucks and Intel still not on 7nm
@alexradu19214 роки тому
ouch
@vshnv_c3 роки тому
2020: Apple makes an ARM processor thats built in an iPad, running a full fledged video game built for PS4 and Xbox One. Also in 2020, Apple’s gonna announce 5nm chips.
@pauldiether24153 роки тому
2027: Apple's sold for 1 yuan to Huawei
@sriramsundar83883 роки тому
@@pauldiether2415 Apple is the most valuable company as of July 2020, stupid huawei fanboy
@gindullin3 роки тому
@@vshnv_c apple made a 5nm arm processor built in a macbook, as powerful as i9 9980hk, with integrated graphics as powerful as geforce 1060 and completely silent. No fans.
@juancarloslopezrodrtiguez47874 роки тому
Yo tuve un Mac Book Air de 2008, y he de decir que fue mi primer Max, es un ordenador fantástico, al que le saqué muchísimo partido, edité fotos, aprendí a editar vídeos con iMovie, la experiencia de uso que tuve con este ordenador, hizo que nunca más quisiese tener un ordenador con sistema operativo Windows, para mi el Mac Book Air, marco un antes y un después, en mi relación con la informática, un grandísimo ordenador.
@denisstrok98984 роки тому
I'm watching this video on my late 2011 macbook pro 17" and I love it!
@manzurkhan6 років тому
Watching this on my 2017 Macbook Air :)
@no.47796 років тому
it sucks now ,better buy a netbook instead of it lol ,maybe a 400$ chromebook xD
@AnDrEw178765 років тому
Kurisu Munaraki Chromebooks are complete and utter junk
@kradrumble5 років тому
Macbook Air is outdated. It's been 3 years without a refresh.
@s.morton70735 років тому
SAME!
@YashKumar-je2dg5 років тому
@@s.morton7073 He literally said 2017 MacBook. You guys blind or what?
@RobloxianX9 місяців тому
Steve Jobs was such a genius. Just 6 years before this came out, laptops were nearly 3 inches thick and weighed over 6 pounds. People say the MacBook air was so garbage for the value for its time, but consider that this was a good preforming laptop for the time and in such a tiny package. In any windows laptop then for the same performance it would be double the thickness
@ayushroy81425 років тому
1799 a lot of money at that time
@JackLister5 років тому
$2,106 specifically now
@kwwundo33455 років тому
Lol it still is!
@XxmatixX6videosdiariosdenadav4 роки тому
Not for a computer so advanced like this one it was really a good deal at the time
@googol902104 роки тому
If you see the facial reaction of those people in the room, you can guess that it was a really really good deal
@DaCurse04 роки тому
Compared to similar products back then that price was good
@nahhaso11 років тому
Considering Ultrabooks did not exist at the time and that it took till 2011 for ultrabooks to become mainstream in the market, i think they can choose whatever price they want considering nothing like it existed at the time.
@GoToManРік тому
Hey
@SaurikSI10 місяців тому
@@GoToMan Ho
@nts00115 років тому
Thank you Steve, rest in peace mate, we will meet again...
@alxexperienceРік тому
I remember a lot of skepticism when Apple started removing optical drives in their Macs. But Steve was spot on here -- digital servicing and the internet has really taken over, and it's much more efficient now to just rip from an external drive now when needed.
@doemis8573Рік тому
Not once have i rented a movie online , especially not in itunes and streaming really started in the mid 2010s. The optical drive vanished over the years because of streaming, fast internet and fast enough flash drives. Since most of the people on this planet do not use macs, it had nothing to do with apple and /or jobs. Still buying my favorite movies on bluray though, because many movies were removed on the streaming services and replaced by crappy shows. Maybe disney will alter all their movies to please the "modern audience", so i'm save with my original uncut versions.
@GavinHurdTheReal6 років тому
“... AND A HEADPHONE JACK” ... *ahem* Sorry, just wanted to point that out. 😂😉
@vorname_68566 років тому
Gavin Are you funny or what
@LucienSabre5 років тому
Sure....except today's MacBooks all still have the jack. 😄
@MannitMiranda5 років тому
What is your point all macs still have headphone jacks....
@MrCooper834 роки тому
Nowadays, headphone jack is disappearing faster than ever before. Samsung, Google, and other Chinese makers following Apple`s decision.. So yeah, you are right..
@ml36774 роки тому
@@MrCooper83 And that's good!!
@SavourySnape5 років тому
TIL what the Remote Disc in Finder does. Amazing.
@EstrayOne3 роки тому
watching this in 2021 and this was SO far ahead of it's time.
@kantinannanakorn39876 років тому
2008:You're crazy did you put out CD/DVD!? 10 years later... 2018:You're crazy did you buy notebook with CD/DVD!? (and now CD/DVD out of the shop..)
@kantinannanakorn39876 років тому
Sorry for bad English...
@Magicairsoft95 років тому
It is more like: Apple 2018- No connectors/ports on laptops, dont worry- you dont need them (even if you do).
@pankourlaut5 років тому
Yea, i was stunned when he said there was no optical drive. But I guess he was just ahead of his time.
@aliancer5 років тому
Nowdays, they're complaining when they put away the USB Port
@ImNotActuallyChristian4 роки тому
same thing will happen with usb a ports.
@chenlim216511 місяців тому
Watching this after the 15” MacBook Air was released, at 3.3 lbs. Phenomenal engineering. That reveal is still something though.
@WycliffStudios5 років тому
Steve knew his stuff. Tim Cook is a businessman with zero passion.
@NKWTI4 роки тому
yup
@bukiburabata15 років тому
THIS IS A GR8 PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY!!!
@Vampiregirl416 років тому
AWESOME technology
@AppleAdvertising16 років тому
quest'uomo è un genio della comunicazione!
@eliezeralvesmartinsРік тому
Its!!great Man!! Insaane. E dizer que até hoje é atual esse modelo. Steve estava a frente do tempo!
@k1necorporationmedia5 років тому
"a time machine" Me: FROM THE FUTURE!?
@aviddancer66145 років тому
"Ronald Reagan, the ACTOR??"
@HBGamingTD3 роки тому
@@aviddancer6614 Donald Trump was an actor too.
@s4127419Рік тому
Such a timeless design
@ez455 років тому
Ahh, back when you took to technological measures and speeches to convince people they didn't need an optical drive.
@deathbunny7485 років тому
And like what? 14years later the ad song becomes a tiktok meme.... How does humanity evolve now..
@CaseyGpdx5 років тому
good job with software Steve
@AmplifyChris4 роки тому
Nobody: UKposts: "Do you remember the time when Apple was awesome and innovative? No? Here, watch this in 2019"
@manassasnani92803 роки тому
I would have agreed but after seeing the new MacBook Air with an m1 chip I was blown away I am an Apple fan but yeah they have stopped innovating like they used to I hope the old Apple comes back😕
@efzelРік тому
Its so beautiful
@tantanman285211 років тому
$1799 is a hell of a lot, but back then this was literally the future. Only 3/11 of their laptops even have optical drives anymore.
@EpicExplosionify4 роки тому
Tanuj Dua “back then” reading this six years later....
@lukaz33364 роки тому
@@EpicExplosionify😂😂😂
@martiananomaly2 роки тому
@@EpicExplosionify damn and now I'm reading your comment after at least a year. Nice.
@AceLooneyLozРік тому
1799 IS BANKRUPTCY even in todays time. That was crazy back then 😮😮
@EtOHEtOH11 років тому
This product still seems awesome 5 years later!
@rohmanatasi17714 роки тому
Even 10 years later!!!!
@firedude1Productions4 роки тому
No
@darewrath49953 роки тому
Even 12 years later
@kayaeki2 роки тому
even 13 years later
@davejnathan102 роки тому
Just bought it for collection, damn what a design!
@Bikman5 років тому
in 2008 I was 18 and studying in Singapore, I was watching the tech news from a Chinese website, and I was like Hooooly shoooooot....
@RB-km8ze4 роки тому
I love my 2018 Macbook Air!
@prashantdagar41714 роки тому
yeah
@ryanhwang88223 роки тому
watching this on my M1 MacBook Air. Holy me the greatest laptop ever
@XtutsiX13 років тому
awesome, standard!
@jeffjoraj11 років тому
Also, it was physically impossible (at the time) to fit anything larger than 80GB in a HDD that small, in a package that thin. Plus, PC gamers say that they save more money on Steam than on a traditional DVD/BD. One more thing, the Macbook Air was (and still is) made without a discrete graphics card.
@peterhoeller78113 роки тому
God, I remember seeing that Ad!
@imDerekMartell14 років тому
Ok, I'm back. That makes more sense now. Steve Jobs is a great orator.
@LittleBIGRacer12 років тому
@andyt2k You can use any Windows or Mac PC with a Optical drive to remote connect for the Air and Mini (and now ALL Macs; great if you remove the Optical for an SSD) to rip movies or install programs.
@aryamanmehrotra91656 років тому
If the portable CD drive was released now it would’ve cost $300
@Simufreund3096 років тому
Yeah, my guess on what they'll do on the next gen MacBook: No USB-c/Thunderbolt connectors. They're a 299.99$ Option coz it's... you know designed to be wireless. Sadly though this might just actually happen.
@romanbaranovichi53755 років тому
They still sell superdrive for only $80 now
@theaveragejoe___4 роки тому
@@Simufreund309 well it didn't.
@bigyankee20064 роки тому
The problem is that almost nobody use that in a home... all can be downloaded
@TheShowMen12 років тому
@andyt2k Its not a good computer to have on its own and yes you need an optical drive. But it's aimed to be something you travel with and something portable. I have a new one of these and an iMac and I have to say it works great. I don't miss the optical drive because all my movies are already loaded on my iMac and I can access them there and if you have this paired with an iMac or another Mac it is great this is like an extension of my computer without having to carry 20 pounds around.
@thesnvman12 років тому
I wrote this on MY macbook air! Its so cool
@callmenick17972 роки тому
Who else misses Steve :(
@saskiavanhoutert6081Рік тому
I have fortunaly the capability to work at home with my laptop (notebook) MEDION a replica of the Macbookair. THANKS TO STEVE.
@ryanwangpiano4 роки тому
Then: Apple announces the price. People: cheering Now: Apple announces the price. People: in shock
@atisbasak2 роки тому
M1 MacBook Air: Hold my beer.
@lynskyrdРік тому
It's amazing how Steve got out in front of all the 'no cd/dvd drive' predicted criticisms. He, back in 2008, convinced people that you don't really need these things and if you absolutely, on occasion, need to read a CD- here is how you can do it. He did the same thing years prior with no floppy drive. And then of course- he pulled it off with no Flash when the iPhone and iPad came out. His 'Thoughts on Flash' was brilliant. And now of course- we realize he was absolutely correct about all of the above. RiP Steve Jobs.
@dirtyasianmafia23105 років тому
1799 was so worth it considering how innovative it was
@brandune9613 років тому
I still love CDs :D
@victorkam_vlog4 роки тому
i miss u , steve
@bukiburabata15 років тому
this is a great piece of technology...You can literary feal the the power in the AIR...I LOVE APPLE AND APPLES
@Canuck20411 років тому
He's right, it's 2012 and all installing software is on the App Store that's integrated in Mac OSX to a degree.
@JaAEspinozA13 років тому
i love how he says "JUST $1799!" as if 1799 was hella cheap.
@benitoclementediaznava80823 роки тому
2020 and this relationship with Intel has come to the end.
@lukebattersby91793 роки тому
RIP Steve and Paul 🙏
@smileychess12 років тому
and they all cheered as if $1799 it was hella cheap.
@blade41745 років тому
Bro do you even know at that time computer started around at 3000$
@mytube20134 роки тому
Pragyan are you serious? I remember there were free after rebate computers.
@aquira41144 роки тому
Simon C that thin great?
@QuantaSolace3 роки тому
@@mytube2013 Funny enough, Apple was cheaper than its competitors before all the junk other manufacturers threw into PCs to bring the price down.
@Justin.Franks3 роки тому
It was still $1000+ cheaper than the Sony VAIO TZ laptop it was compared to during the keynote, which was much thicker, significantly less powerful, and had significantly worse battery life than that first $1799 Macbook Air.
@whkeeРік тому
Now with my new M1 MBA, I’m going to get that paper envelope ☝️😎🤣
@SPZ909Рік тому
I love this. In just 10 seconds he created a problem and sold the solution for only $99.
@koalaunknown11 місяців тому
It’s just like AirPods
@peterhoeller78113 роки тому
"horsing around with photo booth" he knows what he created
@pspspsp10103 роки тому
crazy, the new M1 Mac's start at $999 now even $899 with educational pricing
@Void-by3ti2 роки тому
Probably cheaper if you find a good sale too
@woodant19813 роки тому
These really were, the days...
@obi-wankenobi78673 роки тому
Насколько Стив Джобс был великолепен,как умело и с любовью он преподносил людям технологии. Ты сделал то что другим было не по силам !!! Царство тебе небесное покойся с миром 🙏
@jamesolatinwo626611 років тому
Watching this on my 2013 macbook air :P
@arethamelissa68111 років тому
MacBook Air is so dang awesome!!! And its my laptop :p
@mikitymike14 років тому
@AwesomeTeeVee ok how much did ur pc cost and how much did his?
@mikitymike14 років тому
@AwesomeTeeVee what are your specs and what are hi? whose is older? my pc looks more 1337, can play 5 games at 1600p at the same time, while rendering a 1000 megapixel image, and it seamlessly integrates with my home network. I have used one for two hours once, the farthest i could get is youtube before it crashed.
@MichaelGrey115 років тому
5 hours battery life lol
@vaalnortvictim4575 років тому
Michael Jimenez laptop, 2008 year, lol.
@SandsOfArrakis5 років тому
Was a lot back then. My old 2011 Windows laptop only lasted about 2,5 hours with all settings on maximum saving. Play a game, sure but after 45 minutes I got the low battery warning already.
@TheDanielLivingston4 роки тому
mats098 my 2018 Air lasts about 10 hours
@HyruqueEstudaМісяць тому
the amazing
@ericy.21084 роки тому
🎶 I’m a new soul, I came to this strange world, Hoping I could learn a bit about how to give and take 🎵
@Kylo_Ren_20334 роки тому
I don’t know if the upcoming 16-inch MacBook Pro will remove the headphone jack
@androcci11 років тому
that's thinking ahead for steve jobs lol!
@SpiraxRS12 років тому
three years later this computer comes worth buying
@jlpeng90365 років тому
and im still using my 2013 macbook air for daily browsering. working perfect. SSD very fast loading. i can't believe if i have a 6 years old windows laptop how slow it will be.
@shubhamlahoti9758Рік тому
lol my 7 yr old windows laptop with an SSD is not slow :p
@Rwan-eh2ni4 роки тому
That’s when people still innovate things
@gunsnflamethrowers11 років тому
thats true but then what about playing games and watching movies, I know you can download them but they take up a lot of hard drive space and people already have collections of games and dvds, it basically means they have to spend more money buying a portable optical drive
@JFoun32110 років тому
Watching this on my MBA :) but think it could use a retina upgrade!
@writtenbetween5 років тому
hopefully it will this year!
@dirtyasianmafia23105 років тому
Arch Khudoba - And it has 😂
@writtenbetween5 років тому
@@dirtyasianmafia2310 yay!
@koalaunknown11 місяців тому
Crazy that a small 80GB hard drive was breakthrough back then, and now we have 8tb NVME drives.
@johndotto27734 місяці тому
7:34 The remix of this song from those cursed TikToks are haunting me...
@aungsandoonkhaing27684 роки тому
I miss him
@ChrisFlipsAlot14 років тому
So true
@darkwoodmovies3 роки тому
Isn't it so weird that back in 2008, software still came on a disk? There wasn't an app store back then...
@zongzheli12835 років тому
Watching this on my iPhone X.
@Ashwill574 роки тому
I want a Macbook air now, and you know what, I really think the prizes are not expensive.
@johnzhao46414 роки тому
Let's Learn Together Get a gaming laptop that’s thin and light, and it way more powerful
@Ashwill574 роки тому
Same here, the comment is just a figurative of how Steve Jobs is good in selling
@a.yashwanth5 років тому
Where is "one more thing"?
@affandih3 роки тому
Steve Ballmer: that’s more heavier than my toshiba, where’s the cd drive 😂
@dinkarfowkar9992 роки тому
now the macbook air has 20 hours of battery life
@Shimrazdj10 років тому
yEs MaCBoOk A!r !S aMaZ!nG oNe!
@saskiavanhoutert6081Рік тому
The chip 1969 also called nano thanks to FRITS PHILIPS R.I.P. Without my committed there was no flat TV for instance. I like computertechnology, so please let me have that pleasure I studied for that and keep on shipping it so to say. STEVE PROGRAMMS ARE STILL LIKED BY ME